chatlog - WWs in chat (29/09/08)

This is a chatlog of WaywardSon in #neveron talking about various things. It was logged by mattbuck, and dates from the 29th/30th September 2008.

[29/09 - 23:27] * Wayward_Son (neveroncon@24.121.188.40) has joined #neveron
[29/09 - 23:27] <Archer> wws!
[29/09 - 23:27] <shas> L
[29/09 - 23:27] <shas> :o
[29/09 - 23:27] * Archer hugs Wayward_Son
[29/09 - 23:28] <Wayward_Son> You guys are too funny
[29/09 - 23:28] <Archer> :D
[29/09 - 23:28] <Wayward_Son> There was no "default" polling option
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[29/09 - 23:28] <Wayward_Son> if you didn't vote it wasnt counted
[29/09 - 23:28] <Kadaj> .. he's alive.
[29/09 - 23:28] <Kadaj> <_<
[29/09 - 23:28] <shas> recount!
[29/09 - 23:28] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs sets mode: +o Wayward_Son
[29/09 - 23:28] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> hi wws
[29/09 - 23:28] <Dobie> I vote you pull the plug
[29/09 - 23:28] <Kadaj> Atleast there isn't hordes of people to mug him now
[29/09 - 23:28] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> about time you started an emp!
[29/09 - 23:28] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs sets mode: +m
[29/09 - 23:29] <Archer> lol
[29/09 - 23:29] * shas is now known as boo_hiss_buc`
[29/09 - 23:29] <Archer> lmao
[29/09 - 23:29] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> ill take it off
[29/09 - 23:29] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> but not crazy talk!
[29/09 - 23:29] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> no*
[29/09 - 23:29] <Wayward_Son> .topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted.
[29/09 - 23:29] * boo_hiss_buc` is now known as heckler
[29/09 - 23:29] <Wayward_Son> .down
[29/09 - 23:29] <Wayward_Son> wtc
[29/09 - 23:30] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> .topic .topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted.
[29/09 - 23:30] * X3 changes topic to '.topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted. (buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs)'
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> i was gonna do it
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> :(
[29/09 - 23:30] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs changes topic to '.topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted. (WWS)'
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[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> ~topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted.
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> .topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted.
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> :(
[29/09 - 23:30] <Wayward_Son> .topic Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted.
[29/09 - 23:30] <Wayward_Son> .down
[29/09 - 23:30] * Archer changes topic to 'Welcome to Neveron. | There was no default option people had to vote for it to be counted. (WWS)'
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> there
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> :)
[29/09 - 23:30] <Wayward_Son> wtc Im logged in
[29/09 - 23:30] <Archer> nope
[29/09 - 23:31] * heckler is now known as you_have_no_a_here
[29/09 - 23:31] <Wayward_Son> -AuthServ- I recognize you.
[29/09 - 23:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> .a Wayward_Son
[29/09 - 23:31] <Archer> .users
[29/09 - 23:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> [11:28] -X3- Wayward_Son (wayward_son) lacks access to #neveron.
[29/09 - 23:31] <Wayward_Son> i guess it defaulted
[29/09 - 23:31] <Wayward_Son> welp
[29/09 - 23:31] <Archer> he doesn't have user
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[29/09 - 23:31] <Wayward_Son> anyway i made the poll cause I honestly wanted to know where people wanted me to focus
[29/09 - 23:31] <Wayward_Son> i dont have some secret agenda, i laid out my overall goals
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[29/09 - 23:32] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> we really dont know anyone who voted for #1 wws
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[29/09 - 23:32] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs sets mode: -m
[29/09 - 23:32] <Archer> buc unmoderate please
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[29/09 - 23:32] <Archer> :D
[29/09 - 23:32] <Wayward_Son> maybe they wont admit it cause you guys piledrive anyone who doesnt agree with you
[29/09 - 23:32] * q10n20_percent_surrender is now known as shas
[29/09 - 23:32] * CanYouUnmoderateTheChannel is now known as PrimusHoppy
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[29/09 - 23:33] <Wayward_Son> it is hardly surprising that people want options to fight that dont result in their mechs dying while they are at school or at the bar
[29/09 - 23:33] <PrimusHoppy> but taking vehs out too
[29/09 - 23:33] <pete> focus on answering tickets?
[29/09 - 23:33] <PrimusHoppy> doesnt make sense
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[29/09 - 23:33] <shas> can mechs be cheaper please
[29/09 - 23:33] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, is there anything to stop someone never bringing their mechs out tho?
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[29/09 - 23:33] * X3 sets mode: +v Jake|BabyMaking
[29/09 - 23:33] <X3> [Jake|BabyMaking] Neveron, all your base belongs to me.
[29/09 - 23:33] * Archer agrees with shas
[29/09 - 23:33] <Jake|BabyMaking> arenas
[29/09 - 23:33] <{FWL}Snow_Fox> aye a reset on mech prices acounting for inflation would be grand
[29/09 - 23:33] * PrimusHoppy seconds bucs questions
[29/09 - 23:33] <guardian> fix the 1 city rule so we can actual war
[29/09 - 23:34] <PrimusHoppy> foxxy u dont play nemore do u?
[29/09 - 23:34] <{FWL}Snow_Fox> ive started a new emp out of boredom
[29/09 - 23:34] * Archer heads off to find a plugin
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[29/09 - 23:34] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> make it so a 1 city emp can only have 1 zone would fix the 1 city emps
[29/09 - 23:34] <PrimusHoppy> meh frost
[29/09 - 23:34] <PrimusHoppy> i have an open ticket WWS was lookin at
[29/09 - 23:34] <PrimusHoppy> that im incorporating all ideas
[29/09 - 23:34] <PrimusHoppy> want me to add your idea to the list?
[29/09 - 23:34] <Wayward_Son> FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC} how would you ever get another zone then?
[29/09 - 23:35] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> why not
[29/09 - 23:35] <shas> burn down to level 3
[29/09 - 23:35] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> simple limit the time
[29/09 - 23:35] <PrimusHoppy> seems WWS doesnt like it :-P
[29/09 - 23:35] <shas> rip your idea frost
[29/09 - 23:35] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> they can have zones for so long before they start building stuff or they lose the zone
[29/09 - 23:35] <shas> PIE RATS
[29/09 - 23:35] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> Frost, just make 1 city emp zones claimable
[29/09 - 23:35] <PrimusHoppy> it was stated in updates pirates are never coming back
[29/09 - 23:35] <PrimusHoppy> why even mentino it?
[29/09 - 23:35] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> or that
[29/09 - 23:36] <Wayward_Son> yes please stop
[29/09 - 23:36] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> would work
[29/09 - 23:36] <guardian> no make it so the 1 city rule doesn't come into effect until the city is hit
[29/09 - 23:36] <shas> because i have a keyboard
[29/09 - 23:36] <PrimusHoppy> guardian had a good idea
[29/09 - 23:36] <guardian> that way u can take unclaimed land
[29/09 - 23:36] <PrimusHoppy> guardian's idea was that you can attack any zone in a 1 city and it only surrenders when u attack its 1 city
[29/09 - 23:36] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> works for me
[29/09 - 23:36] <PrimusHoppy> ya
[29/09 - 23:36] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> anyone to stop people from useing 1 city emp to surrond people works for me
[29/09 - 23:36] <PrimusHoppy> wat guard said right before i typed
[29/09 - 23:36] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> thats pbly the simplest
[29/09 - 23:36] <Wayward_Son> so people are taking one city empries claiming lots of land with them to use as cover and then permarestricting them or sometihng>
[29/09 - 23:36] <Wayward_Son> ?
[29/09 - 23:36] <PrimusHoppy> yes
[29/09 - 23:37] <Wayward_Son> right
[29/09 - 23:37] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> been for a while
[29/09 - 23:37] <guardian> and 1 city rule don't have resriction times
[29/09 - 23:37] <PrimusHoppy> you set to 50% surrender
[29/09 - 23:37] <PrimusHoppy> and u cant hurt a 1 city empire
[29/09 - 23:37] <Wayward_Son> yeah making their land claimable would work
[29/09 - 23:37] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, any change you make
[29/09 - 23:37] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> can you please give us time to change things
[29/09 - 23:37] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> whatever it is
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> SOI changes
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> 1 city changes
[29/09 - 23:38] <Wayward_Son> yeah of course i always have
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> etc
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> not always
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> :P
[29/09 - 23:38] <pete> good point buc
[29/09 - 23:38] <Wayward_Son> well almost always
[29/09 - 23:38] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> at least say a week
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> a month would be better imo
[29/09 - 23:38] <Wayward_Son> just depends on the size of the change
[29/09 - 23:38] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> id say a month would be max
[29/09 - 23:38] <PrimusHoppy> a month?
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, you should start an emp
[29/09 - 23:38] <PrimusHoppy> buc all you're going to do
[29/09 - 23:38] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> and play a bit
[29/09 - 23:38] <PrimusHoppy> is unclaim the land from the 1 city emps u have
[29/09 - 23:38] <PrimusHoppy> and claim with SHI
[29/09 - 23:38] <PrimusHoppy> or HRaD
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> i dont see why u need time..
[29/09 - 23:39] <shas> oh yeah cause you guys aren't gonna do the same
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> do i HAVE a lvl 12?
[29/09 - 23:39] <shas> do you have logins to a lvl 12?
[29/09 - 23:39] <Jake|BabyMaking> how about hoppys ammoless towers that never run out of ammo
[29/09 - 23:39] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> hoppy shas, shuttup
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> ...
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> someone kick jake
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> i will take screenies to prove that i dont do that
[29/09 - 23:39] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> how about hocs ammo less towers? or other peoples ammoless towers
[29/09 - 23:39] <PrimusHoppy> but mentioning cheating in here is kickable
[29/09 - 23:39] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> frost hoppy etc
[29/09 - 23:39] * PrimusHoppy prods buc
[29/09 - 23:39] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> aff ill stop
[29/09 - 23:39] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> you make this an alliance thing
[29/09 - 23:39] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> and you get banned
[29/09 - 23:40] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> didnt know it was bannable
[29/09 - 23:40] <Jake|BabyMaking> i thought we were talking about stuff that needs changed
[29/09 - 23:40] <mattbuck> whoa
[29/09 - 23:40] <mattbuck> hi wayward
[29/09 - 23:40] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> just pointing it out to jake is wasnt just hoppy but just about every alliance
[29/09 - 23:40] <mattbuck> dear gods i go for a bath and the dead start walking
[29/09 - 23:40] <PrimusHoppy> jake just because OSU got its buttkicked by USC, which then lost to oregon state
[29/09 - 23:40] <PrimusHoppy> does not make it right to pick on the UofM students
[29/09 - 23:40] <PrimusHoppy> :-P
[29/09 - 23:40] <pete> lol MB
[29/09 - 23:40] <Jake|BabyMaking> you lost to notre dame
[29/09 - 23:40] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, but the point is there - towers that start with 0 ammo will fire and never stop when on AI
[29/09 - 23:41] <guardian> guys talk about the game not your lives
[29/09 - 23:41] <shas> they aren't the same thing?
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> jake
[29/09 - 23:41] <guardian> right I forgot about that
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> we scored more then 3 points vs notre dame
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> how much did OSU put on the board vs USC?
[29/09 - 23:41] <shas> lol hick games
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> and guard this kind of chat is welcome here, its just the biggest college rivalry of all time
[29/09 - 23:41] <Veli|afk> hehe
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> a OSU student and a UofM student talking about football
[29/09 - 23:41] <Veli|afk> the real OSU won that game
[29/09 - 23:41] <PrimusHoppy> i mean come on
[29/09 - 23:41] <pete> wws would know that if he answerewd tickets
[29/09 - 23:42] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs slaps pete around a bit with a large trout
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> hey wws what went on with the mergers you ran last time you were in?
[29/09 - 23:42] <Rodon_AFK> some pretty weird stuff.
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> i got a thing saying to resubmit it but i didn't really feel like spending another 10 dp to finish what had already started
[29/09 - 23:42] * PrimusHoppy dances
[29/09 - 23:42] <Wayward_Son> yeah they were run last week
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> so i ticketed it and heard nothing for a while
[29/09 - 23:42] <Wayward_Son> doing more now
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> nah
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> this was like
[29/09 - 23:42] <shas> uhmm a month ago?
[29/09 - 23:43] <shas> 23 days, sorry
[29/09 - 23:43] <mattbuck> ~idle ShadowMasterCM_afk
[29/09 - 23:43] <mattbot3> mattbuck: ShadowMasterCM_afk has been idle for 1day 4hrs 36mins 58secs
[29/09 - 23:43] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, RE: option 1 please
[29/09 - 23:43] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> <@buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, is there anything to stop someone never bringing their mechs out tho?
[29/09 - 23:43] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> how would u fix that? its a persons choice to never use their nice shiney stuff
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[29/09 - 23:43] <Damz> hi
[29/09 - 23:44] <Wayward_Son> no nothing. But the whole point is to scale everything down so the game is more fun. instead of slogging through thousands of vehicles on AI you are fighting actual players
[29/09 - 23:44] <pete> and why take vees out too? mechs fine
[29/09 - 23:44] <shas> if the idea is for units to retreat as soon as a battle begins
[29/09 - 23:44] <shas> what happens if i back someone's units into a corner
[29/09 - 23:44] <shas> what happens if i hit a big city which is only defended by vehicles
[29/09 - 23:44] <shas> do i win by proxy because they all run away?
[29/09 - 23:44] <Wayward_Son> it wouldnt be only defended by vehicles
[29/09 - 23:44] <shas> o rly now
[29/09 - 23:44] <Wayward_Son> yes thats thwe whole point
[29/09 - 23:44] <Jake|BabyMaking> make arenas worth money and people will fight player v player on a downscale level
[29/09 - 23:44] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> ok wws, most low level emps ONLY have mechs. My lvl 3 seem to scare people so i would never fight mechs??
[29/09 - 23:44] <Jake|BabyMaking> without tearing out war
[29/09 - 23:44] <Damz> omfg
[29/09 - 23:45] <Damz> its wws!!!
[29/09 - 23:45] <Wayward_Son> ok guys. first, take a big deep breath
[29/09 - 23:45] <shas> ps: can skillups be reduced somewhat in ferocity?
[29/09 - 23:45] <mattbuck> I actually posted a fair few reasons about why it's generally a bad idea on the forums, but i;m certainly willing to listen to reason. it's just I think there are things that should be done fitst to ease your workload greg
[29/09 - 23:45] <shas> i had a 0 gun cgr skill up to 5 gun in a week
[29/09 - 23:45] <Damz> u cld bring back the old style arena's, just throwing it out there
[29/09 - 23:45] * mattbuck sets mode: +m
[29/09 - 23:45] <mattbuck> let's let wws speak
[29/09 - 23:45] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> ty mb
[29/09 - 23:45] * shas is now known as boo_hiss_mattbuck
[29/09 - 23:45] <Wayward_Son> the game is as it is because people have figured out the way that things work the best under the current set of rules. I'm trying to make the game something that we all find enjoyable and fair based on where we want it to go
[29/09 - 23:45] <mattbuck> anyone who wants to speak can pm me
[29/09 - 23:46] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, can you start an emp? :)
[29/09 - 23:46] * boo_hiss_mattbuck is now known as shas
[29/09 - 23:46] <Wayward_Son> the game as it is now isnt how it should be or how it has to be or how even everyone wants it to be, it just is. I think we can all envision options and whatnot that we would probably prefer
[29/09 - 23:46] <Wayward_Son> im trying to get us there
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[29/09 - 23:46] * Damz is now known as Veli|afk
[29/09 - 23:47] <Wayward_Son> and one of the single number one problems that we face and have always faced is that people don't even get to play...they wake up and their best units are gone.
[29/09 - 23:47] * Veli|afk was kicked by buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs (Veli|afk)
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[29/09 - 23:47] <Wayward_Son> so many people leave because of this its ridiculous. so one of my goals is to ensure that people actually have the opportunity to fight each other, and that your best stuff isnt put at risk unless you want it to be
[29/09 - 23:47] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> at low level wws, you only have your best units... wouldn't it remove all reason to war?
[29/09 - 23:48] <Wayward_Son> this isnt unreasonable, its attainable and im not stuck on one way of achieving that
[29/09 - 23:48] * shas is now known as free_maghetti
[29/09 - 23:48] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> the idea is good wws
[29/09 - 23:48] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> but
[29/09 - 23:48] <mattbuck> I do have a few big worries about it wayward. first off, towers are expensive
[29/09 - 23:48] <Wayward_Son> fighting AI while someone is offline isn't "war" and its embarassing to even call it such
[29/09 - 23:48] <Wayward_Son> then we make them cheaper
[29/09 - 23:48] <mattbuck> to build, to research and to maintain
[29/09 - 23:48] * free_maghetti is now known as second_i_will_just_hide_beat_m
[29/09 - 23:48] <mattbuck> a tower market maybe?
[29/09 - 23:49] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> thats fine wws, but my point, at low lvls you only war to fight mechs. there is no other reason
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[29/09 - 23:49] <Wayward_Son> forget how things are, think of how they COULD BE
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[29/09 - 23:49] <Wayward_Son> i code the friggin game
[29/09 - 23:49] <Wayward_Son> its not set in stone
[29/09 - 23:49] <Wayward_Son> i can change anything
[29/09 - 23:49] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, can you start playing?
[29/09 - 23:49] <mattbuck> ok, first question goes to jake
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[29/09 - 23:49] <Wayward_Son> yes absolutely thats a fair request
[29/09 - 23:50] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> WWS!
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[29/09 - 23:50] <mattbuck> I agree with buc. A long term gripe players have had is that the admins don't know what it's like to actually play the game
[29/09 - 23:50] * shas is now known as matt_you_dont_play_let_buc
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[29/09 - 23:50] <Jake|BabyMaking> my question is, why don't we shape up arenas to where people can make money if they are active, rather than completely redoing war
[29/09 - 23:50] <Wayward_Son> i played the game for a really, really long time on all levels
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[29/09 - 23:50] <Wayward_Son> and i can promise that everyone has a different experience based on how they go at it
[29/09 - 23:51] <Wayward_Son> but no this past year i have not been playing it
[29/09 - 23:51] <Wayward_Son> Jake|BabyMaking I put arenas as an option on the poll and it got the 2nd least number of votes
[29/09 - 23:52] <Wayward_Son> furthermore this isnt an arena only game, its primarily a war game. im not against changing areans but that clearly isnt where most people think we shoudl be focusing atm
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[29/09 - 23:52] <Wayward_Son> if people had voted for it then i would be all over it right now
[29/09 - 23:52] <Jake|BabyMaking> before arenas were changed. there were 3 areas of focus to the game, economic, arena, war
[29/09 - 23:52] <Jake|BabyMaking> but drastically changing arenas..they were effectively killed
[29/09 - 23:53] <Jake|BabyMaking> im afraid that'll happen if we tamper with war
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[29/09 - 23:53] <Jake|BabyMaking> and therefore we'd be left with the economic side as the only game play option left
[29/09 - 23:54] <Wayward_Son> im not really sure what you want me to say. i understand your fear and Im not looking to change anything that people don't want changed, but i get complaint after complaint about war rules and lack of options and loss of units. then i made a poll and people made it clear both in their voting options and their comments that war was a big concern
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[29/09 - 23:55] <Wayward_Son> its hard for me to believe that people think war is so perfect right now that we shouldnt mess with it
[29/09 - 23:55] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> war is a big concern
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[29/09 - 23:55] <mattbuck> ok, next if FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}
[29/09 - 23:55] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> its not perfect
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[29/09 - 23:55] <Cougar> omg
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[29/09 - 23:55] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> ok my question is can we set a better way for upgradeing mechs
[29/09 - 23:56] <mattbuck> ~topic Please PM mattbuck if you wish to speak.
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[29/09 - 23:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> maybe set it so people can focus on say the guns or the armour
[29/09 - 23:56] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> hehe frost - upgrades were a terrible idea
[29/09 - 23:56] * mattbuck would like upgrades removed altogether
[29/09 - 23:56] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> agreed
[29/09 - 23:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i like upgrades
[29/09 - 23:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> but thats just me
[29/09 - 23:56] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> i love them but they are bad for the game
[29/09 - 23:57] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> distort balance
[29/09 - 23:57] <Wayward_Son> the upgrading system is a disaster of code. it was a pet project by randy because he wanted to code something fun. the way it is coded it looks like a hampster given steroids and then thrown in a microwave
[29/09 - 23:57] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i think if they were less random on what they did(setting a foucs on them) they could be good for the game and still be interesting
[29/09 - 23:57] <mattbuck> .a
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[29/09 - 23:57] <Wayward_Son> as ive stated upgrades are basically an unsupported feature. I'm not messing with it, its not worth my time but people like it so im not removing it
[29/09 - 23:57] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> thats a unquie way of looking at it and i have to agree with it
[29/09 - 23:58] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, one way to make upgrades more fair
[29/09 - 23:58] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> is to make it prod based
[29/09 - 23:58] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> not cash based
[29/09 - 23:58] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> upgrade kits
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[29/09 - 23:59] <Wayward_Son> yeah i suppose i could take the cash option out
[29/09 - 23:59] <Wayward_Son> it would eat up resources and make it more market based
[29/09 - 23:59] <Wayward_Son> its just not a big priority
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[29/09 - 23:59] <mattbuck> fair enough.
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[30/09 - 00:00] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> taking the cash option out would be quick and easy tho right?
[30/09 - 00:00] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> then you can take out the under lvl 8 rule
[30/09 - 00:00] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> since its hard to make
[30/09 - 00:00] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> they might be able to get 1 or 2
[30/09 - 00:00] <Wayward_Son> yup
[30/09 - 00:00] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> but not 100
[30/09 - 00:00] <Wayward_Son> yeah sounds liek the closest thing to ripping them out Ive heard so im not opposed
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[30/09 - 00:01] <mattbuck> the problem is that upgrades are fun. i loved my lvl2's crk :(
[30/09 - 00:01] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> ah
[30/09 - 00:01] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> WWS
[30/09 - 00:01] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> Hi
[30/09 - 00:01] <Wayward_Son> yeah i hear you its a fun little thing
[30/09 - 00:01] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> they are fun but if it take work etc mb, then its ok
[30/09 - 00:01] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> imo
[30/09 - 00:01] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> this whole idea of keeping peopels mechs safe why they arnt unline
[30/09 - 00:01] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> i know a few emps spend their prod time making mech mods
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> the ONLY reason
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those mechs died
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> is because they dont put them in the right places
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you would be awarding people for being bad at war
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you think the better lwers are going to lose their mechs that way very often if ever?
[30/09 - 00:02] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> they wont
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[30/09 - 00:03] <Wayward_Son> yes but thats my point. being "bad" at war shouldn't mean "knowing how to contrive the game so your mech zone is safe." Not with hwo nev works. It should be because your actual skills on the battlefield were outmatched
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[30/09 - 00:04] <mattbuck> go ahead shas
[30/09 - 00:04] <if_mechs_were_cheaper> if mechs were cheaper this wouldn't matter so much
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[30/09 - 00:04] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> code the mechs that have been researched :)
[30/09 - 00:04] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> and ill sell em cheap
[30/09 - 00:04] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> :D
[30/09 - 00:04] <shas> as it is right now unless someone gets into chat and isn't an ass they aren't gonna get a mech until level 1 at the earliest
[30/09 - 00:05] <shas> warring with vehicles is dull, with mechs is fun
[30/09 - 00:05] <Wayward_Son> i agree that mechs should be accessible more easily at lower levels. That is why i'd like to shift the economic side of things towards a "play to earn" model
[30/09 - 00:05] <Wayward_Son> instead of "log off and watch tv to earn"
[30/09 - 00:06] <Wayward_Son> that way active noobs could easily earn cash by actually playing the game
[30/09 - 00:06] <shas> right now to get the ~50mil I'd need for a mech i have to log off for 20 days
[30/09 - 00:06] <Wayward_Son> currently inflation is so rampant because big empires make gobs of money doing literally nothing
[30/09 - 00:06] <shas> (assuming 250k/nday)
[30/09 - 00:06] <mattbuck> I think a prime aspect of that is to fix the help system. would it be possible to give the PAs admin access to the help system? Also, give people more incentive to write tutorials and stuff.
[30/09 - 00:06] <Wayward_Son> right shas AND THAT IS DUMB
[30/09 - 00:06] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> you see, that isn't an issue wws
[30/09 - 00:06] <Wayward_Son> oops
[30/09 - 00:06] <Wayward_Son> sorry for caps
[30/09 - 00:06] <shas> yes it is
[30/09 - 00:06] <shas> but the fix isn't to nerf big empires
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[30/09 - 00:06] <shas> at least, not imo
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[30/09 - 00:07] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> the big emps with cash thing isn't an issue
[30/09 - 00:07] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> they fund the lower levels
[30/09 - 00:07] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> take losses on mechs and stuff
[30/09 - 00:07] <Wayward_Son> yeah it is actually that is why the mechs cost so much
[30/09 - 00:07] <Wayward_Son> if the economy wasnt constantly scaling up then the mechs wouldnt either
[30/09 - 00:08] <Wayward_Son> if as you got inactive you simply didnt make any money then it wouldnt be a problem but as it is you go inactive and your empire sits there and accrues a fortune
[30/09 - 00:08] <Wayward_Son> randy tried to fix that by getting people to fight
[30/09 - 00:08] <Wayward_Son> that was a poor model
[30/09 - 00:08] <Wayward_Son> and i totally understand why people didnt like it. I didnt like it either
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[30/09 - 00:08] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, big emps aren't buying mechs
[30/09 - 00:09] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> big emps dont fight
[30/09 - 00:09] <shas> i don't see any reason why big empires would buy com-3as, even for HD missions
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[30/09 - 00:09] <shas> but the price for them just keeps rising
[30/09 - 00:10] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, can you please code the mechs that have been researched
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[30/09 - 00:10] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> they are used more than any other mech
[30/09 - 00:10] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> the existing ones
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[30/09 - 00:11] <Wayward_Son> yes it is on my list of stuff to do
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[30/09 - 00:12] <mattbuck> Cougar would like to know when bug/cheater tickets are going to be looked at. I'd personally like to say that shadowmaster and I would be more than willing to help out going through them, but we currently need you to pass us tickets
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[30/09 - 00:13] <Wayward_Son> i am working through tickets but clearly its been slow going. I will absolutely start passing you more tickets as i can and assigning you some investigative projects
[30/09 - 00:13] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> WWS this game has always had its problems and its incomplete issues and its bugs, people have continued to play through it all, but look at the player base, you wont get player on player battle if you dont have aplayer base and with every major change the player base gets smaller.
[30/09 - 00:13] <Wayward_Son> does this mean you are unresigning?
[30/09 - 00:13] <Wayward_Son> Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing I'd be happier not changing anything at all
[30/09 - 00:13] <mattbuck> since i'm still here, yes.
[30/09 - 00:14] <Wayward_Son> i mean god you have any idea how much easier it is for me to NOT code than to code?
[30/09 - 00:14] <mattbuck> i did try and quit totally, but wikipedia chat isn't as interesting as kicking elisius
[30/09 - 00:14] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and so would we wws. recruiting new people fixing bugs working out the currentt issues. its not only easier for you but better in total
[30/09 - 00:14] <Wayward_Son> i understand your concern i dont want to lose people either, but people are leaving just as much for stuff we could change as for stuff that gets changed
[30/09 - 00:15] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and to be honest ive seen to many half done ideas to want to see any more major changes when we have a working acceptable game as is.rather see something more useful
[30/09 - 00:15] <Wayward_Son> you guys want new players but there seems to be a lack of understand that we drive sooooo many people away with how harsh our state of war is
[30/09 - 00:15] <Wayward_Son> not just uncancellable wars but the fact that half the time you dont even get to fight
[30/09 - 00:15] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> the only people that get driven away by war, are those who die
[30/09 - 00:15] <mattbuck> ah yeah, about new players wayward
[30/09 - 00:15] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> because they suck
[30/09 - 00:15] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and are weak minded
[30/09 - 00:16] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those people have always quit
[30/09 - 00:16] <mattbuck> i think that when you added the mozilla link to the front page, you may have removed the signup link
[30/09 - 00:16] <Wayward_Son> ok look this is fine propoganda to play the game by, but i cant code the game like that
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[30/09 - 00:16] <mattbuck> n/m my last comment
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[30/09 - 00:17] <Wayward_Son> i mean you really have no idea how many "hey been playing for 6 months, loved it, woke up this morning and all my mechs are dead. Thanks but no thanks" i get
[30/09 - 00:17] <Wayward_Son> "played the game for 3 weeks, donated $40 got some mechs, they all died instantly. see ya"
[30/09 - 00:17] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> one of your options was to just continue as is, and that + some extra effort to recruit is what this game needs most.Lets get our player base up a bit and when we have 60+ people IN THIS ROOM again, we can think about bigger changes.
[30/09 - 00:17] <Wayward_Son> these people would be good people to keep around, we need to facilitate that
[30/09 - 00:19] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those same people would probably bring their mechs out even if you changed the system and at some point they will die and quit all over again
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[30/09 - 00:20] <mattbuck> I think a prime aspect of that is to fix the help system. would it be possible to give the PAs admin access to the help system? Also, give people more incentive to write tutorials and stuff.
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[30/09 - 00:20] <Wayward_Son> maybe, maybe not. At least they would have died actually playing the game
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[30/09 - 00:21] <Wayward_Son> yeah if you want to get in there and make some stuff thatd be great with me i havent looked at it in ages
[30/09 - 00:21] <Wayward_Son> i think well established people dont remember how tough it is when you dont have peopel to back you up and lots of cash to throw around. its a pretty vicious game
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[30/09 - 00:22] <X3> [vader] <Wayward_Son> if you rely on negative gunners to war and cant win without them its cause you suck|<+Jesus> I hath touched mattbuck<+Jesus> and it was good <shas> maghetti wouldn't get out of me last night
[30/09 - 00:22] <mattbuck> iirc, help articles need to be approved, and I figure we could help with that
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[30/09 - 00:22] <mattbuck> also say 5dp for an accepted article might help
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[30/09 - 00:22] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> no matter what game you play, you will have a tough time starting up and a tough time trying to not get killed
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you honestly just need to make it easier to rebuild
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> ie cheaper markets
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> fuller markets
[30/09 - 00:23] <mattbuck> true mags
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> keep the lw experience much the same, but make it easier to rebuild after you die
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those are not big changes
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> but would still make a massive difference
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> as buc said earlier, its not the big empires that buy mechs
[30/09 - 00:23] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> its the smaller war empires
[30/09 - 00:24] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> if they save for months and then get headcapped their first battle
[30/09 - 00:24] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> they will likely quit
[30/09 - 00:24] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> im happy to sell any newer player cheap mechs
[30/09 - 00:25] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> but id like to make them more available for everyone
[30/09 - 00:25] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> :)
[30/09 - 00:25] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i sell mechs to people for dirt cheap when i can
[30/09 - 00:25] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> but it shouldnt be the players responsibility to get allthe players their mechs and tanks
[30/09 - 00:26] <Wayward_Son> there is a huge disconnect here is the thing
[30/09 - 00:26] <Wayward_Son> the economics of the game are and always have been broken
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[30/09 - 00:26] <Wayward_Son> there is also a mentality that you should always "get back to where you started" after a loss
[30/09 - 00:26] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> only with people who dont get it :)
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[30/09 - 00:27] <Wayward_Son> yes but you dont seem to get it
[30/09 - 00:27] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> :(
[30/09 - 00:27] <Wayward_Son> simply making everything cheaper is no different than just increasing everyone's income
[30/09 - 00:27] <Wayward_Son> it just creates inflation
[30/09 - 00:27] <Wayward_Son> if your mentatlity is "oh it should be easy to rebuild" then its also easy to build
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> and that simply means that instead of getting knocked from level 5 to 4 you're getting knocked from 9 to 8
[30/09 - 00:28] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i love lvl 9 lw :)
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> yes most people do
[30/09 - 00:28] <Damz> cheaper mechs and vehcs would help low levels a hell of a lot
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> i'd personally love to make it so that its totally unnecessary to EVER fight a war on a scale larger than that
[30/09 - 00:28] <Damz> they were much cheaper when we all started
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> that is what my proposal is all about
[30/09 - 00:28] <vader> u can get cheap vees from a good faction leader
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> they werent
[30/09 - 00:28] <Wayward_Son> as a function of income they werent
[30/09 - 00:28] <Damz> which just forces people into the big alliances
[30/09 - 00:29] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> but I low big wars...lol
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[30/09 - 00:29] <Wayward_Son> my birthday in 200 randy gave me $250 million and i was the second richest guy in the game for an afternoon
[30/09 - 00:29] <Wayward_Son> 2000*
[30/09 - 00:29] <vader> a lance of hunchbacks is 400mil at least
[30/09 - 00:29] <vader> any new player that has an intermediate empire
[30/09 - 00:29] <Wayward_Son> yes but the second richest guy has what like 50 billion?
[30/09 - 00:30] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those big empires Do Not Fight
[30/09 - 00:30] <vader> cant afford that without sitting for months
[30/09 - 00:30] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> the biggest war is a lvl 11 war and those are very rare
[30/09 - 00:30] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> those big guys wont be effected at all
[30/09 - 00:30] <Wayward_Son> the economics of the game are this: without expending much energy you can create an empire that is constantly creating wealth that is never taken out of the game
[30/09 - 00:30] <Damz> cut the price of mechs by half and all the newbies will love it and not quit after loosing them coz there easier to replace
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[30/09 - 00:31] <Wayward_Son> without changing the economics so that no wealth is generated without player effort it will always be fundamentally broken
[30/09 - 00:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, most active high level emps are NOT making huge amounts of cash
[30/09 - 00:31] <Damz> the price of mechs arnt effecting big players, they can afford tem any time its the small ones that suffer
[30/09 - 00:31] <Wayward_Son> active emps shoudl be the ONLY ones making cash
[30/09 - 00:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> btw
[30/09 - 00:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> Description: Timeout expired
[30/09 - 00:31] <Wayward_Son> iopasdjipsdawefipijsdipnjsdag
[30/09 - 00:31] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> when going into mech page
[30/09 - 00:31] <Damz> ?
[30/09 - 00:32] <vader> thats wws promo code
[30/09 - 00:32] <Damz> wws had a heartattack?
[30/09 - 00:33] <Wayward_Son> my point is the problem isnt just "mech prices are too high" its that the way that cash is generated in the game is broken
[30/09 - 00:33] * Cougar is now known as itscodeforimessedupmechs
[30/09 - 00:33] <Wayward_Son> and always has been
[30/09 - 00:33] * itscodeforimessedupmechs is now known as Cougar
[30/09 - 00:33] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, costs for war at high levels are crazy
[30/09 - 00:33] <Damz> but the game has never been this dead before
[30/09 - 00:33] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> cougar yoiu can talk regularly now
[30/09 - 00:33] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> they need cash
[30/09 - 00:33] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> and lots of it
[30/09 - 00:33] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> yeah
[30/09 - 00:33] <Cougar> ty
[30/09 - 00:33] <Wayward_Son> ugh
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[30/09 - 00:34] <Metal_Head> holy #$%& WWS is here
[30/09 - 00:34] <Wayward_Son> THE PRICES ARE HIGH BECAUSE THE WAY YOU GENERATE INCOME IS BROKEN
[30/09 - 00:34] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you can drain a empire of 50 billion easy
[30/09 - 00:34] <Wayward_Son> thats my point
[30/09 - 00:34] <shas> that's great, shout at us
[30/09 - 00:34] <shas> i mean all we do is play the damn game
[30/09 - 00:34] * buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs slaps shas around a bit with a large trout
[30/09 - 00:34] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> shuttup
[30/09 - 00:34] <shas> fuck this, it's not like you're gonna fix anything anyway
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[30/09 - 00:34] <Wayward_Son> we can change the price of war
[30/09 - 00:34] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i dont know how to put this besides your just wrong wws
[30/09 - 00:34] <Wayward_Son> thats not a big deal
[30/09 - 00:34] <mattbuck> ~b *!*@shas.Users.AfterNET.Org 24h f-bomb
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[30/09 - 00:34] <Wayward_Son> ill friggin change anything if it will fix the basic economics of it
[30/09 - 00:35] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, first thing, make an emp or 5 and start playing, second, clear the backlog of tickets and get help from player admins (and make me one :) )
[30/09 - 00:36] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> then start working on the issues
[30/09 - 00:36] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> your view of the game is extremely different when you actively play
[30/09 - 00:36] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> just imo
[30/09 - 00:36] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> agreed
[30/09 - 00:36] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> just no -12/-12 rhinos please :)
[30/09 - 00:36] <Wayward_Son> step out of the game for a momenty
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> and look at the way it works
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> forget your empire
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> money pours in from an unlimited tap
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> it never shuts off
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[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> that money is then used to build things that simply turn the faucet up higher
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> and higher
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> and it never turns off
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[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> and nobody every has to pump the water
[30/09 - 00:37] <Wayward_Son> it just flows
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[30/09 - 00:38] <Wayward_Son> so now we are awash in money. the cost of things are based on that flow of money
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[30/09 - 00:38] <Wayward_Son> so arguiing that the flow has to continue because things are expensive is a circular argument. the problem is the way the money comes in
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[30/09 - 00:39] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> so because some lvl 12 has 300billion on hand the rest of nev cant get cheaper mechs?
[30/09 - 00:39] <Wayward_Son> i know because I helped set the cost based on concepts of income by looking at actual empire income
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[30/09 - 00:39] <Wayward_Son> yes
[30/09 - 00:39] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> lame.
[30/09 - 00:39] <Wayward_Son> and not just cause of that level 12
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[30/09 - 00:40] <Wayward_Son> but because tehre are hundreds of 11's 10's 9's and 8's that have an endless supply of money
[30/09 - 00:40] <Wayward_Son> that only increases
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[30/09 - 00:40] <Wayward_Son> and requires them to do nothing to get
[30/09 - 00:40] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> heres a thought, make a mech market for each level, lvl 0s market will be much cheaper then lvl 13s
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[30/09 - 00:41] <Wayward_Son> stick with me for a second here, cause i think we can fix it without a contrivance like that
[30/09 - 00:41] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> then the smaller empires can actually afford mechs and the bigger ones stil need to pay more
[30/09 - 00:41] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> Violation of PRIMARY KEY constraint 'PK_ErrorLog'. Cannot insert duplicate key in object 'ErrorLog'.
[30/09 - 00:41] <Wayward_Son> the way that randy tried to deal with this problem of endless cash was to increase chaos
[30/09 - 00:42] <mattbuck> randy = chaos
[30/09 - 00:42] <mattbuck> players = imperium
[30/09 - 00:42] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> mythic chaos :P
[30/09 - 00:42] <mattbuck> we attack him with lasguns
[30/09 - 00:42] <Wayward_Son> chaos means war, pirates, etc. war was the only thing that could take stuff out of the game and the concept of the game was built on this
[30/09 - 00:42] <Wayward_Son> thats why war losses are so big
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[30/09 - 00:43] <Wayward_Son> what if we made it so that to actually make money, as in to profit not just to pay the upkeep costs, you actually played the game
[30/09 - 00:43] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> wws, is part of nev an 'empire building' aspect?
[30/09 - 00:44] <Wayward_Son> that would mean that playing the game more = making more money. not playing the game would mean not losing money
[30/09 - 00:44] <Wayward_Son> but not making any
[30/09 - 00:44] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> and not losing skills ??
[30/09 - 00:44] <SnowFox> how about we go back to the lots of people helping on empire aspect that went extinct in the game
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[30/09 - 00:44] <Wayward_Son> as a small empire then, you could readily afford that mech based on playing the game more
[30/09 - 00:45] * Cougar is now known as agrees
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[30/09 - 00:45] <Wayward_Son> skill losses are also part of that chaos factor
[30/09 - 00:45] <Wayward_Son> if gaining skills meant playing the game then yeah of course we can take skill losses out
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[30/09 - 00:46] <Wayward_Son> personally id like to see us get rid of most of the upkeep costs for things and make it so that to make cash you have to DO something in the game
[30/09 - 00:46] <Wayward_Son> sell something
[30/09 - 00:46] <Wayward_Son> mine something
[30/09 - 00:46] <Wayward_Son> be hired by someone
[30/09 - 00:46] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i think, there are many different types of players with many different types of goals, some people choice to actively spend their money to fight wars and research etc.Some people choice to save it up,with equally level war you should not punish those who have saved up lots of ccash by making the smaller people pay more for mechs
[30/09 - 00:46] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> code stuff to sell in :P
[30/09 - 00:47] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> the mechs should have a set price, a set price far below the current price
[30/09 - 00:47] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and what people choice to do with their money shouldnt concern you beyond that
[30/09 - 00:47] <Wayward_Son> duly noted
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[30/09 - 00:49] <X3> [Arkidda] <Klien> I think the only way someone would have a wet dream about me is if I dumped a bucket of water on their lap while subliminally whispering: "Mike is great in bed..." into their ear while wearing a pink thong and dancing to the tune of 'I'm a little teapot'
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[30/09 - 00:49] <Drey> a template of what you want
[30/09 - 00:49] <Drey> we can give you better ideas
[30/09 - 00:50] <Drey> it seems like everyone is on different pages atm
[30/09 - 00:50] <mara_zZZ> any chance the small empire subsidy could be increased in the meantime to cover the rampant inflation?
[30/09 - 00:50] <Damz> since ur here does that mean ur going to be more active in the future?
[30/09 - 00:50] <Damz> its all very well and good to come up with solutions but we need u to be there to implement them
[30/09 - 00:53] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> another thing putting in auto claim soi is another major thing which would do wonders ;p
[30/09 - 00:53] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> its interesting that u say that all the high emps are just socking money
[30/09 - 00:53] * |Pausanian||KungFuFighting is now known as Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|
[30/09 - 00:53] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i spend every thing i make just about back into my emp
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> aye
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> he has a point
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> alot of us war often
[30/09 - 00:54] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> why not just limit the max amount of money a emp can have
[30/09 - 00:54] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> that would fix ur problems
[30/09 - 00:54] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> thats stupid
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> yeah
[30/09 - 00:54] <Damz> altho im only an 8 i have hardly any money, i duel but the arena's just dont make anywhere as much money as they used to
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> a lvl cap
[30/09 - 00:54] <Drey> that is a good point
[30/09 - 00:54] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> only a few emps have huge cash
[30/09 - 00:55] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> yea so it wouldnt hurt the others
[30/09 - 00:55] <ghostrider> well if more empires could and would produce items, the larger ones would have competition for the money.
[30/09 - 00:55] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> only 10 emps have > 50 bil
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[30/09 - 00:55] <X3> [Archer] <Totem{WoB}> code and smart <Totem{WoB}> never same sentence <Codeman{WOB}WAR> unless <Codeman{WOB}WAR> its Code isnt smart <Elisius> I hate it when one of my friends tells one of their friends how awesome I am and then when they meet me realize none of it's true
[30/09 - 00:55] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> only 10 yea but that 10 has what pbly 70 % or more of the games money
[30/09 - 00:55] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> ghostrider - most prod emps sell their stuff at BE
[30/09 - 00:55] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> did I hear we are talking about money?
[30/09 - 00:56] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> I need money
[30/09 - 00:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lol
[30/09 - 00:56] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> so I can war more :D
[30/09 - 00:56] <Cougar> lol
[30/09 - 00:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> or take paus for exmplae though he wars
[30/09 - 00:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> he sepnds tons of money
[30/09 - 00:56] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> also a idea I was told I thought was great for removing tents is a system similar to SP onlyy for citys, then less citys you have the more free SP you have, the more citys you have the less free sp you have
[30/09 - 00:56] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> u got other emps that are so badly recked they can war
[30/09 - 00:56] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> Frost, he loses heaps
[30/09 - 00:56] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you still have the option to have ternt city empires but you have less sp for units when you do
[30/09 - 00:56] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> sense you have nothing to truely defend
[30/09 - 00:56] <Damz> so are we all agreed on trying to get new people to join?, nev has become so much emptier in the last few years, lots of people left and nobody has replaced them yet
[30/09 - 00:57] <Cougar> guys relax
[30/09 - 00:57] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> why bigger citys require defenses so you have more sp
[30/09 - 00:57] <Cougar> jeez
[30/09 - 00:57] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> oh yea we need to rectuir
[30/09 - 00:57] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> ok
[30/09 - 00:57] <Archer> lets just get rid of OMT all together
[30/09 - 00:57] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> .....i cant spell:)
[30/09 - 00:57] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> enough random babble
[30/09 - 00:57] <buc`selling_vehics_n_mechs> lol
[30/09 - 00:57] * Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing you all better real that idea >.<
[30/09 - 00:57] <Drey> guys
[30/09 - 00:57] * Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing reead*
[30/09 - 00:57] <Drey> say something constructive
[30/09 - 00:57] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> I just did
[30/09 - 00:57] <Drey> or don't say anything at all
[30/09 - 00:57] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> -_-
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[30/09 - 00:57] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> pay attention to me :p
[30/09 - 00:57] <ghostrider> sp should be based on city sizes
[30/09 - 00:58] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i am trying to be constuctive
[30/09 - 00:58] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> <+Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> also a idea I was told I thought was great for removing tents is a system similar to SP onlyy for citys, then less citys you have the more free SP you have, the more citys you have the less free sp you have
[30/09 - 00:58] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> <+Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you still have the option to have ternt city empires but you have less sp for units when you do
[30/09 - 00:58] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> <+Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> sense you have nothing to truely defend
[30/09 - 00:58] <ghostrider> a 10 cf city will produce little if any sp.
[30/09 - 00:58] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> <+Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> why bigger citys require defenses so you have more sp
[30/09 - 00:58] <Damz> wow this is the busiest #neveron has been for months
[30/09 - 00:58] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> yea mags it would work
[30/09 - 00:58] <Cougar> guys. wws went inactive for a reason im sure. chill on the spam
[30/09 - 00:58] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> work great
[30/09 - 00:58] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> u have a point:)
[30/09 - 00:59] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> that was a idea Dee had that we started working out the details on
[30/09 - 00:59] <ghostrider> that would mean a level 4 with only 100 pop cities wouldnt be able to support a lance of mechs.
[30/09 - 00:59] <Damz> cougar there only like a dozen people here who are actually at their keyboards
[30/09 - 00:59] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> give criedit to whoever u like it still is a good idea
[30/09 - 00:59] <ghostrider> in my low opinion, i agree with dee on it.
[30/09 - 01:00] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> I gotta say WWS... Raids rule please leave them alone :D
[30/09 - 01:00] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> Raid Plunder!! While raiding zone -231, 1 your troops looted $1,005,799,800!
[30/09 - 01:00] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lol
[30/09 - 01:00] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> wooo hooo!!! Imma dow somebody now
[30/09 - 01:00] <ghostrider> actually, i would suggest expand the raids.
[30/09 - 01:00] <Cougar> hehe
[30/09 - 01:00] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> o hon paus your putting more money into the game
[30/09 - 01:00] <ghostrider> make it so you can choose raiding parts, tech, or money
[30/09 - 01:00] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> your going to mske the market more xpensive!
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[30/09 - 01:01] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i wish i could war:(
[30/09 - 01:01] <Cougar> salvage, parts and tech should technically be taken when a raid is won anyway
[30/09 - 01:01] <Damz> seems really simple to me, new players hate loosin their stuff, its going to happen no matter what, make mechs cheaper for lower level so they can replace the losses easier and by the time they level up higher they wont loose as much
[30/09 - 01:01] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> yea
[30/09 - 01:01] <Damz> cant be that hard to do
[30/09 - 01:01] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> still think you should just cut mech costs for lower lvl emps
[30/09 - 01:01] <Archer> things need made cheaper we can all agree on that
[30/09 - 01:02] <Damz> a lvl 1 will have to do ffa or duel jeeps for a month to get a dam locust
[30/09 - 01:02] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> base the cost based off the emps lvl(except for the very good mechs)
[30/09 - 01:02] <Damz> which can die from a few lrm hits
[30/09 - 01:02] <Damz> lights and meds made cheaper
[30/09 - 01:02] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> most lights meds and a few hvys should become cheaper
[30/09 - 01:02] <ghostrider> well honestly, they should raise the limit for a level 0 to like 30 mil.
[30/09 - 01:02] <Archer> if you want a decent mech you have to save money for over 1 real month to get something decent
[30/09 - 01:02] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> and some mechs like one or 2 of the banshees
[30/09 - 01:02] <ghostrider> cannt buy a new zone at level 0 and hit someone in the same hour.
[30/09 - 01:02] <Archer> at low levels*
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[30/09 - 01:03] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> they are not great sure but they are better than tanks
[30/09 - 01:03] <mara_zZZ> ...raise the small emp subsidy to adjust it to inflation...
[30/09 - 01:03] <mara_zZZ> mechs suddenly seem cheaper...
[30/09 - 01:03] <Damz> make noob faction get ta discount from nasi
[30/09 - 01:03] <ghostrider> well, maybe base income of city size..
[30/09 - 01:03] <ghostrider> would help eliminate the tents.
[30/09 - 01:03] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i gave the idea to fix t ent citys
[30/09 - 01:03] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> well the emp sub would work to but ud have to pbly over double it to make any diffence
[30/09 - 01:03] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and its very good :p
[30/09 - 01:04] <mara_zZZ> 1mil per nev day
[30/09 - 01:04] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> it rewards people for having bigger citys
[30/09 - 01:04] <mara_zZZ> coma 3a in 4 days ::)
[30/09 - 01:04] <Damz> thats nearly as mych as my empire makes lol
[30/09 - 01:04] <mara_zZZ> com-3a*
[30/09 - 01:04] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> thats more than most my emps make
[30/09 - 01:04] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> but hey im for it
[30/09 - 01:04] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> though ud pbly still have the emp sub when u hit lvl 8
[30/09 - 01:04] <mara_zZZ> well you get your mechs. lose them, get them again
[30/09 - 01:04] <Damz> i want to see this room busy again
[30/09 - 01:04] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> or some would
[30/09 - 01:05] <Damz> its less than half of what it use to be
[30/09 - 01:05] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> id like a reason to come into this room again
[30/09 - 01:05] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> thats why I dont wany any major changes damz
[30/09 - 01:05] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> i want to see this room full again
[30/09 - 01:05] <ghostrider> some changes are needed.
[30/09 - 01:05] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> you want this room full again?
[30/09 - 01:06] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> easy way
[30/09 - 01:06] <ghostrider> too many new players give up, since they cannt even get established with some of the tactics that are used.
[30/09 - 01:06] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> make weird and mattbuck only ops
[30/09 - 01:06] <buc`afk> btw, if anyone is a true noob here, pm me and ill sell you a cheap mech or 2
[30/09 - 01:06] * Khan|Precentor|Pausanian| ducks the things thrown from bucs desk
[30/09 - 01:06] <Damz> i'd say bring back the original arena's far more cost effective than current ones but give the 3 lifes thing as well then make mechs and vehcs cheaper for new empires
[30/09 - 01:06] <endsvill> Paus I am almost out of neg income :D
[30/09 - 01:07] <Damz> buc send a ta to me plz#
[30/09 - 01:07] <ghostrider> maybe put in a market modifier that lowers the actually price for noobs, but doesnt allow items to be sold off the island.
[30/09 - 01:07] <buc`afk> is that a pm Damz?
[30/09 - 01:07] <Damz> yes
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[30/09 - 01:07] <buc`afk> not a very good one
[30/09 - 01:07] <buc`afk> what emp?
[30/09 - 01:07] <buc`afk> if your happy to talk here
[30/09 - 01:08] * Damz wonders if buc knows i own a lvl 8
[30/09 - 01:08] <Archer> i think the nev server needs to have its time updated so its time isn't 10 minutes slower than the actual time
[30/09 - 01:09] <buc`afk> yeah Archer, thats a CRITICAL bug
[30/09 - 01:09] <buc`afk> lol
[30/09 - 01:09] <Archer> :P
[30/09 - 01:09] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> critical? no easy to fix yes annoying yes
[30/09 - 01:09] <Archer> i didn't say it was a bug
[30/09 - 01:09] <Archer> i just said it would be nice to have a nev clock that was actually on time
[30/09 - 01:09] <Damz> none of these things will happen if wws is never about tho
[30/09 - 01:10] <Damz> which sadly seems to be the case most of the time
[30/09 - 01:10] <buc`afk> everyone ready for some lag?
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> no
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> i'm going to war
[30/09 - 01:10] <buc`afk> im going to do a view all soldiers
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> :-(
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> i dont want lag
[30/09 - 01:10] <buc`afk> in a lvl 13
[30/09 - 01:10] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> mmmm
[30/09 - 01:10] * Archer stabs buc
[30/09 - 01:10] <ghostrider> honestly, i agree with alot of people, that i would war more if things didnt cost so much to recover from.
[30/09 - 01:10] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> want some help with those soldiers buc?
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> vehs aren't too bad for prices
[30/09 - 01:10] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> :D
[30/09 - 01:10] <Archer> but mechs are rediculous
[30/09 - 01:11] <Damz> its cheaper to buy a batt of hunters than a locust
[30/09 - 01:11] <buc`afk> archer
[30/09 - 01:11] <buc`afk> what wws is saying tho
[30/09 - 01:11] <ghostrider> if you lose a war and have to rebuild from scratch, 2 real weeks without major financing from someone is hard.
[30/09 - 01:11] <buc`afk> that if you make it cheaper
[30/09 - 01:11] <buc`afk> emps just get bigger faster
[30/09 - 01:11] <ghostrider> that is true.
[30/09 - 01:11] <Damz> but they will war more
[30/09 - 01:11] <Archer> whats wrong wth that?
[30/09 - 01:11] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> economy is fine now that mechs are coming down it gives factions a purpose to support the lower empires
[30/09 - 01:11] <buc`afk> maybe
[30/09 - 01:12] <Damz> thus wont increase that much
[30/09 - 01:12] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> not if its only mechs that are cheaper
[30/09 - 01:12] <ghostrider> could make it so the subsidy increases some for people that just got hammered.
[30/09 - 01:12] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> if u cut the price on mechs at lower lvls it makes it easier for people to rebuild at those lvls
[30/09 - 01:12] * Khan|Precentor|Pausanian| puts on his red tie
[30/09 - 01:12] <ghostrider> problem tends to be that larger levels buy up the cheaper mechs.
[30/09 - 01:12] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> leave the markets alone
[30/09 - 01:13] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> just keep the manipulators from abusing it and its fine
[30/09 - 01:13] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> which is why u control price based off emp lvl
[30/09 - 01:13] <ghostrider> how about making the subsidy level dependent?
[30/09 - 01:13] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> for say lvl 13 the cost woudlnt change
[30/09 - 01:13] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> leave the markets alone
[30/09 - 01:13] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> for a lvl 1 the cost of lights, most meds and some hvys would be a lot lower
[30/09 - 01:13] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> :D
[30/09 - 01:13] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> paus helpful stuff
[30/09 - 01:13] <Shogun_Seras|TC> no heavies for a lvl 1
[30/09 - 01:13] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> not just saying leave the market alone
[30/09 - 01:14] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> a dragon-1c
[30/09 - 01:14] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> look man
[30/09 - 01:14] <ghostrider> theres another problem with keeping new players. some people with the heavy/assault mechs in a level 2.
[30/09 - 01:14] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> whats the big deal with a lvl 1 getting a dragon-1c
[30/09 - 01:14] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> faction leaders have responsibility to get mechs for thier lowers
[30/09 - 01:14] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> people with >60 billion
[30/09 - 01:14] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> is because they are playing selfish
[30/09 - 01:14] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> that is why lowers cant get
[30/09 - 01:14] <QM> Paus that only works if your a mech producer
[30/09 - 01:14] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> .........noobs dont have Fl when in the noob faction
[30/09 - 01:15] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> not market
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[30/09 - 01:15] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> you can move offa noob island and into clan wolf in 40 minutes
[30/09 - 01:15] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> and I will give you a mech
[30/09 - 01:15] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> for those who are noob people
[30/09 - 01:15] <Shogun_Seras|TC> yeah, a mech and a million jeeps
[30/09 - 01:15] <Shogun_Seras|TC> :P
[30/09 - 01:15] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> FLs do your jobs leave the game mechanics alone
[30/09 - 01:15] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> and right into a war
[30/09 - 01:16] * Khan|Precentor|Pausanian| dows Wolf Kingdom
[30/09 - 01:16] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> noob need to have a war to learn how to fight with mechs and be able to replace what they lose easily
[30/09 - 01:16] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> hey i could beat u paus
[30/09 - 01:16] <vader> whats up with all the lag?
[30/09 - 01:16] <vader> .up
[30/09 - 01:16] * X3 sets mode: +v vader
[30/09 - 01:16] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> paus is fighting
[30/09 - 01:16] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> pbly
[30/09 - 01:16] <Shogun_Seras|TC> the lag is from buc viewing all soldiers in a lvl 13
[30/09 - 01:16] <ghostrider> that would be a big help. another quest or two. maybe give them a reward of a combat tower or 2.
[30/09 - 01:16] <buc`afk> im not
[30/09 - 01:16] <buc`afk> lol
[30/09 - 01:17] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lol
[30/09 - 01:17] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> ok someone esle viewing the soliders then
[30/09 - 01:17] -> [Wayward_Son] FINGER
[30/09 - 01:17] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> quests yes quests Idea I like
[30/09 - 01:17] <ghostrider> well if they are gonna make non tower units run, then true new people dont have any defenses at all.
[30/09 - 01:17] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> need more quests
[30/09 - 01:17] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> mech salvage a locust or something
[30/09 - 01:17] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> noobs would love that
[30/09 - 01:18] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> cicaidia:)
[30/09 - 01:18] <ghostrider> though a few of the noob killers would have a blast with the salvage.
[30/09 - 01:18] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> thats spelled wrong
[30/09 - 01:18] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> 10 war wins then u cant declare war anymore on noob island?
[30/09 - 01:18] <ghostrider> i will suggest making it so if an empire dows a noob, it is pulled out of the running for the dp pool.
[30/09 - 01:18] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> interesting I like that simple track to help the noobs
[30/09 - 01:19] <buc`afk> Total number of soldiers: 16,893
[30/09 - 01:19] * buc`afk views all
[30/09 - 01:19] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lol
[30/09 - 01:19] * buc`afk cries
[30/09 - 01:19] <buc`afk> wont show more than 100
[30/09 - 01:19] <buc`afk> Total Units: 9450
[30/09 - 01:19] * buc`afk views all
[30/09 - 01:20] <ghostrider> maybe even a few vehicles.. something better then the newbie jeeps they get.
[30/09 - 01:20] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lance of scorps
[30/09 - 01:20] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lance of hunters
[30/09 - 01:20] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> and a lance of something else
[30/09 - 01:21] <Shogun_Seras|TC> grd-2s
[30/09 - 01:21] <Damz> arrrrgh lag
[30/09 - 01:21] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lrm based, whatever the scorp is based and maybe like skulkers
[30/09 - 01:21] <ghostrider> maybe a mix of units.. so you dont run into the hunters in a heavy woods zone.
[30/09 - 01:21] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> or other ml based
[30/09 - 01:21] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> or laser based
[30/09 - 01:21] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> high ammo/laser
[30/09 - 01:21] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> gallon......thats spelled wrong 2
[30/09 - 01:21] <ghostrider> galleon.
[30/09 - 01:21] <buc`afk> Critical Information
[30/09 - 01:21] <buc`afk> Description: Execution of the ASP page caused the Response Buffer to exceed its configured limit
[30/09 - 01:21] <buc`afk> hehehehe
[30/09 - 01:21] <buc`afk> hehehehe
[30/09 - 01:22] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> lol
[30/09 - 01:22] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> view all?
[30/09 - 01:22] <buc`afk> yep
[30/09 - 01:22] <buc`afk> Total Units: 7441
[30/09 - 01:22] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> go me a timed it out:)
[30/09 - 01:23] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> does fine with 3500 units view all
[30/09 - 01:23] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i didnt know i had jeeps go figure........
[30/09 - 01:23] <ghostrider> maybe make a repair bay that will allow only armor and reloads.
[30/09 - 01:23] <Archer> yay lag
[30/09 - 01:23] * Archer blames buc`
[30/09 - 01:23] * Khan|Precentor|Pausanian| blames buc for lots of things
[30/09 - 01:24] <ghostrider> or put a level 1 bay into a quest.
[30/09 - 01:24] * FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC} blames buc and paus
[30/09 - 01:24] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> make the lvl 1 bay gainable by quest
[30/09 - 01:24] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> wasnt there a time when that did happen
[30/09 - 01:24] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> that wasnt too bad
[30/09 - 01:24] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> so lets see quest with a mech salvage quest with a few free tanks and a quest with a free rb resrech
[30/09 - 01:24] <vader> they bay would get burned when u moved off the island
[30/09 - 01:25] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> level 1s should be able to get modded vees
[30/09 - 01:25] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> reason for the free rb lvl 1 reserch by finshing a quest
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[30/09 - 01:25] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> allows evne lvl 0 to get a lvl 1 rb
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[30/09 - 01:25] <ghostrider> that would help those that make the mistake of leaving the island and not having a faction.
[30/09 - 01:25] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> I vote we all just restore the backup
[30/09 - 01:25] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> :D
[30/09 - 01:26] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> [crickets]
[30/09 - 01:26] * FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC} goes to fins the duck tape
[30/09 - 01:26] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> .....ok im going afk i keep spelling stuff wrong
[30/09 - 01:26] <ghostrider> have them in seperate quests.
[30/09 - 01:27] <ghostrider> would help teach the combat controls and things like los and sensors to the new people.
[30/09 - 01:27] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> that is a good idea
[30/09 - 01:27] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> have the quest force a salvaged mech to be commed
[30/09 - 01:27] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> and repaired in the noob bay
[30/09 - 01:27] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> that would be fun
[30/09 - 01:27] <ghostrider> would suggest making it under 600 bv tops.
[30/09 - 01:28] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> give it a story line though
[30/09 - 01:28] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> like the evil HOC pirates have sent a light mech to ravage your cities
[30/09 - 01:28] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> and you win and kill it
[30/09 - 01:28] <ghostrider> searching through the ancient territory, you find a old X mech.
[30/09 - 01:28] <SCABB> is Nev laggin?
[30/09 - 01:28] <Rodon_AFK> seriously.
[30/09 - 01:28] <SCABB> oky
[30/09 - 01:28] <SCABB> thnks
[30/09 - 01:28] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> yes they are playing in thier level 13s scabbs
[30/09 - 01:29] <SCABB> whenever i would use mine,,,i'd just lose an imp bat to a bugg
[30/09 - 01:29] <SCABB> and never get my ticket anserw'd
[30/09 - 01:29] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> hey WWS is there anything that would help the server speed I believe now we are being hosted on a 3rd party provider but is there anyway to get faster on the processing?
[30/09 - 01:29] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> something I could pitch in perhaps?
[30/09 - 01:29] <mp00-afk> yeah paus stop using 23987423 geckos
[30/09 - 01:30] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> hey didnt I ban you in here?
[30/09 - 01:30] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> lol
[30/09 - 01:30] <mp00-afk> in the main room? :P
[30/09 - 01:30] <mp00-afk> or you thinking this#wolf again? :P
[30/09 - 01:30] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> Im old man you are lucky I remember who you are
[30/09 - 01:31] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> :D
[30/09 - 01:31] <mp00-afk> hehe
[30/09 - 01:31] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> but seriously if there is perhaps like an upgraded service that gets better processing times please post it so those of us who want to chip in to perhaps upgrade can
[30/09 - 01:32] <ghostrider> can anyone answer a few questions about the winning upgrades?
[30/09 - 01:33] <ghostrider> like if they allow a high level empire to drop on a lower one, will they be allowed to drop a highly upgraded mech on them?
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[30/09 - 01:38] <ghostrider> how about will units in an attacking force that arent controlled by a player retreat out of a battle?
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[30/09 - 01:43] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> I am for allowing game mechanics to go on the same allowing for a surrender button and then doing things to help the new players. Have the surrender button start a timer of like 2 nevdays or 1 nevday and it surrenders as if the empire had lost on a 30% give the attacker the income and let the person who acquieces some infra to keep.
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[30/09 - 01:44] <Veli> is it still on?
[30/09 - 01:44] <Veli> ah good
[30/09 - 01:45] <ghostrider> i would suggest having a 'peace treaty' button that both sides will have to answer to allow an end to a war without the surrender things.
[30/09 - 01:46] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> ok I would go for that
[30/09 - 01:46] <ghostrider> allow them to trade lands back, give money or possibly items/units as an offering.
[30/09 - 01:46] <Nomad> salvage negotiations
[30/09 - 01:46] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> mmm see now you are talking a lot of code work though
[30/09 - 01:47] <ghostrider> yeah, it always is alot of coding.
[30/09 - 01:47] <ghostrider> dont have to take it that far.. but a surrender button can be abused if you dont give the opponent a chance to answer it.
[30/09 - 01:47] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> .
[30/09 - 01:48] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> cheaper the markets, add auto claim soi, use that idea to lessen the use of tent citys greatly, and add the ability to end wars with out having to surrender your opponent
[30/09 - 01:48] <ghostrider> i take a few large cities from you, then surrender..
[30/09 - 01:48] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> do those things and ill love you forever
[30/09 - 01:48] <ghostrider> one potential problem i can see with auto soi.
[30/09 - 01:48] <Nomad> definately need cheaper markets
[30/09 - 01:48] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> ive been afk so im just throwing that in :)
[30/09 - 01:48] <ghostrider> most the empires that have tent cities are set up in large empires that own the soi around their cities.
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[30/09 - 01:49] <ghostrider> unless it is always automobbing units in the tents, it becomes the problem of the haves and have nots.
[30/09 - 01:50] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> the idea for removing tents has no effect of what citys are around it :p
[30/09 - 01:50] <ghostrider> they are saying auto soi lands around tent cities to drive up land costs for the owner of the tents.
[30/09 - 01:51] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> pfft my idea smokes that one
[30/09 - 01:51] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> though that helps
[30/09 - 01:51] <ghostrider> for those with the auto surrender level 4's and above surrounding it, that works.
[30/09 - 01:51] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> auto soi would do that to
[30/09 - 01:51] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> meh auto soi claims territories and helps move more importance to a more realistic idea of land holding I like it
[30/09 - 01:51] <mp00-afk> can just make isolated cities income or usefullness more limited, say lose 50% of income or facilty use unless connected to other zones-cities
[30/09 - 01:51] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> you use the idea of making less sp forthe more citys you have and more sp for the more concentrated your citys are
[30/09 - 01:52] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and then with the auto claim soi
[30/09 - 01:52] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> tent citys become even more open
[30/09 - 01:52] <ghostrider> as was suggested before, make sp city size dependent.
[30/09 - 01:52] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> and surrounded empries can go awy finally
[30/09 - 01:52] <ghostrider> if they dont have a level 12 empire that the cities are in, that works.
[30/09 - 01:52] <mp00-afk> auto soi 1 zone around any city unless its another city in diff emp
[30/09 - 01:52] * Khan|Precentor|Pausanian| starts buying zones by xenos old core again
[30/09 - 01:53] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> simply put surrounded cored empires are impossible to kill
[30/09 - 01:53] <ghostrider> that goes to the have and have nots.
[30/09 - 01:54] <ghostrider> newer players cannt even think of building 1k cores like people that have been here have done.
[30/09 - 01:54] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> dont even have the option unless they get lucky to find zones connected
[30/09 - 01:54] <ghostrider> and its even more of a problem when they are surrounded by auto surrender empires.
[30/09 - 01:54] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> im just speaking in general for the good of nev
[30/09 - 01:54] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> gads I am agreeing with mags again
[30/09 - 01:55] <Khan|Precentor|Pausanian|> did you put a roofie in my drink?
[30/09 - 01:55] <ghostrider> i do agree with the problems of all hd only empires.
[30/09 - 01:55] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> =)
[30/09 - 01:55] <SCABB> they should have it where every one in the alliance owns one city,,,,and its attacked via distance travel
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[30/09 - 01:56] <SCABB> no cores
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> so ya...keep getting an error page
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> one ive never seen before
[30/09 - 01:56] <ghostrider> more wars would be faught if it didnt cost 500 mil or more to fight in level 2's
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> something about not included
[30/09 - 01:56] <Cougar> when looking at mech cisc?
[30/09 - 01:56] <Cougar> disc?
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> no..
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> got it twice
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> once when i tried to retreat off of battle
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> refreshed tried again and worked
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> then after that
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> when i went to move units
[30/09 - 01:56] <PrimusHoppy> had to do same thing
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[30/09 - 01:57] <Drey> christ
[30/09 - 01:57] <Drey> that's annoying
[30/09 - 01:57] <Drey> Hoc might actually win a raid
[30/09 - 01:57] <Drey> ;p
[30/09 - 01:57] <PrimusHoppy> meh fighting in the lag over the last hour or so
[30/09 - 01:57] <Cougar> hehe
[30/09 - 01:57] <PrimusHoppy> has been annoying
[30/09 - 01:57] <Wayward_Son> yeah lag shoudl be gone now
[30/09 - 01:57] <PrimusHoppy> not as bad as when i fought hanni and jake
[30/09 - 01:57] <PrimusHoppy> but was still a kick in the nuts waiting
[30/09 - 01:57] <Wayward_Son> it was from some bad code
[30/09 - 01:58] <Archer> sure
[30/09 - 01:58] <Archer> after i'm done with war
[30/09 - 01:58] <Archer> :-(
[30/09 - 01:58] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> hurray wws removed all lag off neveron ;)
[30/09 - 01:58] <Archer> lol
[30/09 - 01:58] <PrimusHoppy> ....
[30/09 - 01:58] <PrimusHoppy> SOME bad code?
[30/09 - 01:58] * PrimusHoppy looks at screen
[30/09 - 01:58] <PrimusHoppy> wait, im playing neveron still right?
[30/09 - 01:58] <Drey> lol
[30/09 - 01:59] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> seem like there is a lot of bad code
[30/09 - 01:59] <Drey> lol
[30/09 - 01:59] <Drey> give him a break boys
[30/09 - 01:59] <ghostrider> kinda hard to dig through someone elses idea of coding.
[30/09 - 01:59] <Drey> be happy he is working on it
[30/09 - 01:59] <Drey> ;p
[30/09 - 01:59] <PrimusHoppy> i was just confused
[30/09 - 01:59] <Archer> aye
[30/09 - 01:59] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> oh im not being negitive or anything
[30/09 - 01:59] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> im just teasing him :)
[30/09 - 01:59] <PrimusHoppy> meh
[30/09 - 01:59] <Drey> sweet
[30/09 - 01:59] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> just being my normal self
[30/09 - 01:59] <PrimusHoppy> think of it this way drey
[30/09 - 01:59] <PrimusHoppy> better then us arguing and shouting at him
[30/09 - 01:59] <Maghetti{NC}_EnergyBeing> thats a bad thing wolf :p
[30/09 - 01:59] <PrimusHoppy> although i would like to have another round of that, always so much fun
[30/09 - 02:00] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> its not a bad thing being myself
[30/09 - 02:00] <PrimusHoppy> ...
[30/09 - 02:00] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> well it is a bad thing when i cant do anything
[30/09 - 02:00] <ghostrider> dont know if wws is gonna read the stuff thats gone by already... hopefully he does.
[30/09 - 02:00] <PrimusHoppy> try to be more like your dad :-P
[30/09 - 02:00] <FrostWolf_McCloud{CCC}> i start twitching and such
[30/09 - 02:00] <PrimusHoppy> neway