Neveron Poll Discussion

This is a chatlog of discussion over the poll Wayward presented those players who had donated $5 in the past year, and what to do about it.

Session Start: Tue Sep 16 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #neveron_admin
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[16/09 - 05:28] <buc`> mattbuck
[16/09 - 05:28] <buc`> make me a manager
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[16/09 - 05:29] <Starborn> hi
[16/09 - 05:29] <Starborn> welcome
[16/09 - 05:29] <Archer> yo
[16/09 - 05:29] <Starborn> im starborn of udc and you?
[16/09 - 05:29] <Archer> Archer of House Liao
[16/09 - 05:29] <Archer> :)
[16/09 - 05:29] <Starborn> nice to meet you archer
[16/09 - 05:30] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 05:30] <Starborn> have you read wws poll?
[16/09 - 05:30] <Archer> yeah
[16/09 - 05:30] <Archer> thinking it over now yet
[16/09 - 05:30] <Starborn> thoughts sir im just reading it thru myself
[16/09 - 05:30] <Archer> my thoughts are to go with 2 3 or 9
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[16/09 - 05:31] <Archer> bits and pieces of 1 are good but some are stupid
[16/09 - 05:31] <Starborn> welcome rodon
[16/09 - 05:31] <buc`> get anyone who can vote to get here
[16/09 - 05:31] <buc`> if we all vote the same way
[16/09 - 05:31] <buc`> it will make a point
[16/09 - 05:31] <Rodon> evening all.
[16/09 - 05:31] <buc`> hi Rodon
[16/09 - 05:31] <Starborn> what im hopeing to get here is a good talk across all aliances where we decide what we think neveron needs and then all vote that way
[16/09 - 05:32] <Starborn> if we decide on a good couple of issues we can do a write in and copy paste thruout alot of the empires that can vote
[16/09 - 05:32] <Rodon> I feel number one needs to be fix as many of the broken things as possible without scrapping the game.
[16/09 - 05:32] <Starborn> there by telling wws what we as his playerbase want
[16/09 - 05:32] <Starborn> we have till sunday
[16/09 - 05:33] <Starborn> so its nothing we have to do right away
[16/09 - 05:33] <Starborn> i just want us to think this thru
[16/09 - 05:33] <Rodon> Hmm. Who can and cannot vote?
[16/09 - 05:33] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 05:33] <Archer> whoever is in here can vote
[16/09 - 05:33] <Starborn> anyone thats donated more then 5 dollars this year can
[16/09 - 05:33] <Starborn> anyone who hasnt cant
[16/09 - 05:33] <Rodon> Okay. Do I get several thousand votes?
[16/09 - 05:33] <Rodon> :)
[16/09 - 05:33] <Starborn> lol
[16/09 - 05:33] <Archer> lol
[16/09 - 05:33] <Archer> doubtful
[16/09 - 05:34] <Rodon> :(
[16/09 - 05:34] <Rodon> awww.
[16/09 - 05:34] <Starborn> i dont want this just to be those who can vote though we should make a broad statement accross nev
[16/09 - 05:34] <buc`> hehe
[16/09 - 05:34] <Archer> its probably 1 vote per login or 1 vote per empire on that login
[16/09 - 05:34] <Archer> i'm guessing per login
[16/09 - 05:34] <buc`> id say per login too
[16/09 - 05:34] <Starborn> invite people in talk it over and then try to bring a united front to wws
[16/09 - 05:34] <Starborn> now im going back to reading the poll since i still havent read it all the way thru
[16/09 - 05:35] <Rodon> K. So can fixing things like borked logins go to the top of the list?
[16/09 - 05:35] <Rodon> Most of my people are asleep.
[16/09 - 05:35] <buc`> kk
[16/09 - 05:35] <buc`> post topics in your rooms
[16/09 - 05:35] <buc`> about this room
[16/09 - 05:35] <buc`> and not to rush their vote
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[16/09 - 05:35] <Starborn> agian we have all week
[16/09 - 05:36] <Starborn> talk to youre people
[16/09 - 05:36] <Rodon> will do.
[16/09 - 05:36] <Starborn> get a good feeling for how they want to go about this
[16/09 - 05:36] <Starborn> and lets try to forget the hates and bring in everyone
[16/09 - 05:36] <Starborn> no im this or that alliance screw everyone
[16/09 - 05:36] <Starborn> we should decide this for the good of neveron
[16/09 - 05:36] <buc`> i agree
[16/09 - 05:37] <Starborn> for the first time in nev history wws is actually prepared to listen to us lets get some good ideas to throw at him
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[16/09 - 05:37] <buc`> lol
[16/09 - 05:37] <Rodon> welcome trip.
[16/09 - 05:37] <buc`> i would setinfo that SB
[16/09 - 05:37] <trip> hi
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[16/09 - 05:38] <Starborn> welcome trip and tombo baggins
[16/09 - 05:38] <Starborn> welcome sleepfang
[16/09 - 05:38] <SleepyFang> ty
[16/09 - 05:38] <trip> hiya :)
[16/09 - 05:38] <Starborn> buc anyone from nc dest or hl online?
[16/09 - 05:38] <Archer> i'm HL
[16/09 - 05:38] <Starborn> ahh kk
[16/09 - 05:38] <Starborn> cool
[16/09 - 05:39] <Starborn> spread it on then archer
[16/09 - 05:39] <buc`> Rodon is LA and HL
[16/09 - 05:39] <Starborn> like i said i want to make this as broad as posible
[16/09 - 05:39] <Starborn> everyone needs to have a say vote or not
[16/09 - 05:39] <Starborn> and we should listen to everyone wether we like them or not:)
[16/09 - 05:39] <Archer> i have it as topic in HL main room
[16/09 - 05:39] <Starborn> heres our 1 shot at makeing this a game we can all enjoy
[16/09 - 05:40] <Starborn> cause lets face it we all play so we all love to hate this game
[16/09 - 05:40] * SleepyFang is now known as Fang
[16/09 - 05:40] <Fang> never thought soemthing like a poll would happen in nev
[16/09 - 05:40] <Starborn> 4. Decentralized Marketplace: Decentralize the marketplace so that markets are more regionalized. Create a system in which goods are actually shipped to and from the marketplaces in convoys, which can be defended by your own troops or by mercenaries, and which can be attacked by bandit empires looking for fight and profit. Create a buy order and sell order system that encourages competition and market trading so that peopl
[16/09 - 05:40] <Starborn> i see this one as being easily exploitable
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[16/09 - 05:41] <Fang> would raider emps keep swag from the raids?
[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> welcome xdala
[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> probably
[16/09 - 05:41] <xdala> hi
[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> which is why i see it being exploited
[16/09 - 05:41] <Fang> then yeah
[16/09 - 05:41] <Fang> right
[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> empire a wants to get troops into empire b which has no cash so he sells tanks to empire c
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[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> empire b attacks convoy and takes the tanks
[16/09 - 05:41] <Starborn> free stuff for empire b
[16/09 - 05:42] <Starborn> welcome krumwel
[16/09 - 05:42] <Starborn> Newbies: Focus on new player issues, game learning curve, tutorial quests and similar things to allow for better new player recruitment and retention
[16/09 - 05:42] <Starborn> this i see as being something we as players should focus on so wws can code better stuff in
[16/09 - 05:42] <Archer> a decentralized market place would do more harm then good
[16/09 - 05:42] <Starborn> i know some people already try to help out newbies
[16/09 - 05:43] <Starborn> maybe we should work on a more newbie friendly room or something
[16/09 - 05:43] <Archer> i try to help noobs out as much as i can
[16/09 - 05:43] <Starborn> i think most people do
[16/09 - 05:43] <Starborn> nev is a hard game to teach though
[16/09 - 05:43] <Fang> I agree with you on this one, Starborn
[16/09 - 05:43] <Starborn> but anyway like i said at the begining
[16/09 - 05:43] <Archer> very hard
[16/09 - 05:43] <Starborn> we have until sunday
[16/09 - 05:43] <Archer> especially over a computer
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> get the word out to all aliances
[16/09 - 05:44] <Archer> in real life its easy to teach
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> lets try to reach a quorom
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> so we can go in to this with a unified front
[16/09 - 05:44] <Fang> heh, that's a tall order, Star
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> i know
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> old hatreds will play into this as well
[16/09 - 05:44] <Krumwel> well, what do yall see as biggest problem so far?
[16/09 - 05:44] <Starborn> but lets try anyway
[16/09 - 05:45] <Archer> i see 2, 3, or 9 as the focal points
[16/09 - 05:45] <Archer> but thats just my opinion
[16/09 - 05:45] <Starborn> this might be a key turning point in nev and if its screwed up because a few petty bitches back and forth well it would be a shame
[16/09 - 05:45] <Archer> the rest have more bad things than good things about them
[16/09 - 05:45] <Archer> all of the points i see(except the arena) have good areas to them that should be worked in
[16/09 - 05:46] <Starborn> i think 2 and 9 and how about this
[16/09 - 05:46] <Krumwel> 4 semms like it be hardest to put in
[16/09 - 05:46] <Starborn> no more skillups
[16/09 - 05:46] <buc`> i like 2 and 7
[16/09 - 05:46] <Fang> what are your thoughts on the War issue?
[16/09 - 05:46] <Fang> 1?
[16/09 - 05:46] <Archer> 1 is stupid
[16/09 - 05:46] * Archer lights 1 on fire
[16/09 - 05:46] <Fang> just curious
[16/09 - 05:46] <Archer> we can all say 2 is a good idea so far
[16/09 - 05:46] <Starborn> if he comines 1 and 8 you can basically kiss every empire in nev goodbye
[16/09 - 05:47] <Krumwel> 2 and 7 aint bad
[16/09 - 05:47] <buc`> with upgraded mechs
[16/09 - 05:47] <Archer> exactly
[16/09 - 05:47] <buc`> 1 is just STUPID
[16/09 - 05:47] <buc`> now i think about it
[16/09 - 05:47] <Starborn> cause it will just mean you wait till youre enemy is asleep and hit with youre great mechs
[16/09 - 05:47] <Fang> regular tournies would be a good idea. used to have those awhile back iirc
[16/09 - 05:47] <Archer> 1 is the dumbest things ive ever heard
[16/09 - 05:47] <Starborn> kill the towers easiely
[16/09 - 05:47] <Rodon> I believe 1 is un-workable as conceived.
[16/09 - 05:47] <Starborn> as do i
[16/09 - 05:47] <Archer> i think if the mechs would be retreated by AI it would work but vehs too?
[16/09 - 05:47] <buc`> ~idle mattbuck
[16/09 - 05:47] <mattbot3> buc`{NC}: mattbuck has been idle for 4hrs 14mins 44secs
[16/09 - 05:47] <Archer> no
[16/09 - 05:47] <Starborn> afk a few keep talking
[16/09 - 05:48] <Archer> mech are pricey and valued
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> mechs are attack
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> vehics are defencive
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> and attack
[16/09 - 05:48] <Archer> it would be nice not to loose those in you're sleep but other than that
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> yeah
[16/09 - 05:48] <Fang> 7 weren't automated tournies apart of the arena system before?
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> save mechs
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> yes fang
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> arenas suck now
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> they used to be cool
[16/09 - 05:48] <buc`> ffa took over much of them
[16/09 - 05:48] <Archer> so we can say that if AI would retreat mechs but nothing else it would be a good idea
[16/09 - 05:49] <Fang> I have to be afk for abit. ok I stay in here and read the logs later?
[16/09 - 05:49] <buc`> i dont like it Archer
[16/09 - 05:49] <buc`> personally
[16/09 - 05:49] <Archer> the majority of 1 i hate
[16/09 - 05:49] <buc`> protect your mechs
[16/09 - 05:49] <Archer> but saving mechs is a good idea
[16/09 - 05:49] <buc`> if you never 'brought them into battle'
[16/09 - 05:49] <buc`> you'd never lose em
[16/09 - 05:50] <Archer> yeah
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[16/09 - 05:50] <buc`> defeats the purpose
[16/09 - 05:50] <buc`> its a mech game
[16/09 - 05:50] <buc`> we need to fight with MORE mechs
[16/09 - 05:50] <buc`> not less
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[16/09 - 05:50] <Rodon> We need to be able to build more mechs also.
[16/09 - 05:50] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 05:50] <Archer> mechs over all need to be cheaper
[16/09 - 05:51] <buc`> Rodon
[16/09 - 05:51] <buc`> there are about 3-4 mechs
[16/09 - 05:51] <buc`> that have been researched
[16/09 - 05:51] <buc`> but not coded
[16/09 - 05:51] <Archer> if you want a decent mech for an emp its gonna cost you atleast 100 mil
[16/09 - 05:51] <Archer> i know HRaD has hoplights researched
[16/09 - 05:51] <buc`> ill paste HRAD mechs
[16/09 - 05:52] <Archer> kk
[16/09 - 05:52] <buc`> Mech Design: Hoplite
[16/09 - 05:52] <buc`> Mech Design: Wolfhound
[16/09 - 05:53] <buc`> ok
[16/09 - 05:53] <buc`> just the 2
[16/09 - 05:53] <buc`> lol
[16/09 - 05:53] <Archer> lol
[16/09 - 05:54] <Archer> i actually wish NASI would continue to build non player made versions of mechs
[16/09 - 05:54] <Rodon> I understand the management wishing to reserve mechs for donation, but there are far too few choices on market, and too hard to research and build.
[16/09 - 05:54] <buc`> im sure there were others
[16/09 - 05:54] <Archer> like the VND-1R
[16/09 - 05:54] <buc`> not listed
[16/09 - 05:54] <buc`> Mech Design: Falcon 0.4048 2.0 % 1,248.4335 / 61,550 (148,975 Nevdays)
[16/09 - 05:54] <buc`> Mech Design: Mongoose 1.5672 5.3 % 4,833.7652 / 91,055 (55,015 Nevdays)
[16/09 - 05:54] <buc`> Mech Design: Whitworth 5.0336 10.2 % 9,574.4606 / 93,705 (16,714
[16/09 - 05:54] <Archer> falcon?
[16/09 - 05:55] <Archer> thats not even made now
[16/09 - 05:55] <buc`> nope
[16/09 - 05:55] <buc`> thats current research
[16/09 - 05:55] <Archer> holy crap its on the mech list
[16/09 - 05:55] <buc`> someone is researching cplt
[16/09 - 05:55] <Archer> looks like a decent little toy
[16/09 - 05:56] <Archer> WWS needs to code in the mechs that are researched
[16/09 - 05:56] <Shogun_Seras|TC> there are a few mechs being researched that aren't made yet
[16/09 - 05:57] <buc`> yeah
[16/09 - 05:57] <Rodon> I was toying with the notion of faction specific mods.
[16/09 - 05:58] <Krumwel> i think modded mechs should show their results in BV
[16/09 - 05:58] <Rodon> Agreed.
[16/09 - 05:59] <Archer> it would be nice to control the upgrades you do get
[16/09 - 05:59] <Rodon> Also be nice to have a battle summary instead of just getting kicked back to front page.
[16/09 - 05:59] <Krumwel> or just freakin do away with mods
[16/09 - 05:59] <Archer> a battle summary would be aweomse
[16/09 - 05:59] <Archer> awesome
[16/09 - 05:59] <Archer> see how you died or see what you killed
[16/09 - 06:00] <Rodon> How many times has a close battle ended and you say wtf?
[16/09 - 06:00] <Archer> exactly
[16/09 - 06:00] <Archer> its like did i win or what?
[16/09 - 06:00] <buc`> i personally think that factory created mod's should stay
[16/09 - 06:00] <buc`> and $$ mods removed
[16/09 - 06:01] <Archer> the factory ones are ok
[16/09 - 06:01] <Archer> but 1 for every reasource?
[16/09 - 06:01] <Rodon> I don't care how the mods are created, but all upgraded mechs should be removed from Noob Island.
[16/09 - 06:02] <Shogun_Seras|TC> there are upgraded mechs on Noob???
[16/09 - 06:02] <Rodon> Yes.
[16/09 - 06:02] <Archer> they in essence are rodon
[16/09 - 06:02] <Archer> you can no longer upgrade mechs
[16/09 - 06:02] <Archer> below lvl 8
[16/09 - 06:02] <Archer> sure there are still some around
[16/09 - 06:02] <Rodon> Humph.
[16/09 - 06:02] <Rodon> Go fight chuck chuck or Bubu
[16/09 - 06:03] <Rodon> to name just two.
[16/09 - 06:03] <Archer> i dont have any emps on noob
[16/09 - 06:03] <Archer> but if there is emps that have upgraded mechs i say ship em to main without a faction
[16/09 - 06:03] <buc`> prob all Nicklamers
[16/09 - 06:03] <Archer> no notice
[16/09 - 06:03] <Archer> just bam main land
[16/09 - 06:03] <buc`> he admits to attacking noobs on noob island
[16/09 - 06:03] <Krumwel> no, aint nicks
[16/09 - 06:04] <Archer> i still think comm income and smal empp subsidiary needs to be more than it is now
[16/09 - 06:04] <Rodon> Doesn't matter. Give them thirty days to move or loose them.
[16/09 - 06:04] <Archer> if you want to afford anything decent and grow and a reasonable rate
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[16/09 - 06:04] <Archer> heya hops
[16/09 - 06:05] <Rodon> Lot of things need adjusting.
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> i say support the newbies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16/09 - 06:05] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> cant exist without em
[16/09 - 06:05] <Shogun_Seras|TC> here here!
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> and his ideas on war are retarded
[16/09 - 06:05] <Archer> but we need to focus in on one thing
[16/09 - 06:05] <Krumwel> yeah, cause as is it could take you 2-3 real months to buy 1 good mech from income
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> i mean in all honesty
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> to keep vehs out means ppl would attack while u're sleeping and use vehs to abr towers
[16/09 - 06:05] <Archer> hops we have all determined that 1 is the dumbest idea ever out of 1 people
[16/09 - 06:05] <Archer> 1 person*
[16/09 - 06:05] <buc`> yeah
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> and mechs beind hidden is nice...but really that would create emps that are all mechs
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> and one huge buried tower city
[16/09 - 06:05] <Hoppy> and u could never beat them
[16/09 - 06:06] <buc`> option 1 is dumb
[16/09 - 06:06] <buc`> all agree
[16/09 - 06:06] <Archer> agree
[16/09 - 06:06] <xdala> agree
[16/09 - 06:06] <buc`> most people so far like 2
[16/09 - 06:06] <buc`> along with other options
[16/09 - 06:06] <buc`> but i think all so far have liked 2
[16/09 - 06:06] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 06:06] <Archer> make battle less laggy and pain in the ass like
[16/09 - 06:06] <Rodon> However I wouldn't mind ending the level restriction on combat if it were attached to BV instead.
[16/09 - 06:07] <Krumwel> yeah, quit making shit dissapear
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> meh
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> thats minor
[16/09 - 06:07] <Krumwel> on 2 that is
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> battle is still possible
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> let him fix that later
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> look at the logins per day
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> we're slowly dropping
[16/09 - 06:07] <Hoppy> we need new ppl to enjoy the game and play regularly
[16/09 - 06:08] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 06:08] <Archer> We all also agree that 4 is a dumb idea too
[16/09 - 06:08] <Archer> although the marketplace needs reworked
[16/09 - 06:08] <Archer> but not the way he wants to rework it
[16/09 - 06:09] <buc`> <Rodon> However I wouldn't mind ending the level restriction on combat if it were attached to BV instead.
[16/09 - 06:09] <buc`> cant do that with upgrades
[16/09 - 06:09] <buc`> just wont work
[16/09 - 06:09] <buc`> even without
[16/09 - 06:09] <buc`> higher level emps generally have better units
[16/09 - 06:09] <Archer> yeah
[16/09 - 06:09] <Rodon> So would have to field far fewer to fight a lower emp.
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> even so
[16/09 - 06:10] <Rodon> Enough rats can pull down a lion.
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> you field a 3k battle
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> 3k is a -1 hgn
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> which with the -2 to hit is -3 gun
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> 3k bv is alot in a low lvl
[16/09 - 06:10] <Shogun_Seras|TC> 3k bv IS a low lvl
[16/09 - 06:10] <Archer> and usually consits of a light to medium mech
[16/09 - 06:11] <Archer> and a bunch of tanks
[16/09 - 06:11] <Archer> max bv would probably be 800-1k
[16/09 - 06:11] <Archer> of 1 unit
[16/09 - 06:11] <Rodon> I do see the complications.
[16/09 - 06:12] <Archer> there needs to be limits on how many time an empire can raid single empires too
[16/09 - 06:12] <Archer> so many per nev year or per real year
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[16/09 - 06:12] <Daderk> hi
[16/09 - 06:12] <Archer> yo derk
[16/09 - 06:13] <Hoppy> i dont think we should allow that kind of war
[16/09 - 06:13] <Archer> neither do i
[16/09 - 06:13] <Hoppy> what i do think is that we should allow you to dow any empire an equal or higher level then you
[16/09 - 06:13] <Hoppy> no matter the level difference
[16/09 - 06:13] <Hoppy> cause then its YOUR choice
[16/09 - 06:13] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 06:13] <Archer> any higher
[16/09 - 06:13] <Archer> maybe 1 lower
[16/09 - 06:14] <Shogun_Seras|TC> 1 lower within 7 RL days of leveling up
[16/09 - 06:14] <Hoppy> keep it simple guys
[16/09 - 06:14] <Archer> good idea
[16/09 - 06:14] <Daderk> idk i dont think you should be able to go lower
[16/09 - 06:14] <Hoppy> i think a straight up "Your level or above"
[16/09 - 06:14] <Daderk> ya
[16/09 - 06:14] <Hoppy> is a lot better then "Your level or above plus these 10 exceptions"
[16/09 - 06:14] <Daderk> K.I.S.S
[16/09 - 06:14] <Rodon> You want me to dp a Stone Rhino and hit you a week later?
[16/09 - 06:14] <Krumwel> sounds good
[16/09 - 06:14] <Daderk> Keep it simple stupid
[16/09 - 06:15] <Daderk> lol good point rodon
[16/09 - 06:15] <Daderk> but yea i dont like alot of the ideas that #1 presented
[16/09 - 06:15] <Rodon> Your too late. We flushed that one down the crapper!
[16/09 - 06:15] <Hoppy> ya
[16/09 - 06:15] <Daderk> well where are we at
[16/09 - 06:15] <Hoppy> all around agreement that #1 is stupid
[16/09 - 06:16] <Archer> that one is already on its way to the dumpster
[16/09 - 06:16] <Daderk> so i dont sound retarded!
[16/09 - 06:16] <Rodon> Sorry. Kidding.
[16/09 - 06:16] <Rodon> Somewher around 4.
[16/09 - 06:17] <Daderk> kk lol
[16/09 - 06:17] <Rodon> with multiple side juants.
[16/09 - 06:17] <Daderk> i was just about to say that #3 is really important
[16/09 - 06:17] <Rodon> Agreed.
[16/09 - 06:17] <Archer> aye
[16/09 - 06:17] <Daderk> i dont really know what #4 would do
[16/09 - 06:18] <Daderk> since i dont produce anything
[16/09 - 06:18] <Rodon> A mech salvage quest would be fun and profitable for newbies.
[16/09 - 06:18] <Archer> yeah
[16/09 - 06:18] <Hoppy> i still think all new emps should start off with a random light mech that isnt salvageable
[16/09 - 06:18] <Hoppy> that way they can all have fun
[16/09 - 06:18] <Hoppy> and cant have ppl abusing the system
[16/09 - 06:18] <Daderk> hmmm
[16/09 - 06:18] <Archer> or make mechs cheaper and easier to get
[16/09 - 06:18] <Shogun_Seras|TC> one of the four starter mechs, randomly
[16/09 - 06:18] <Hoppy> cause i mean, come on
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> 4 newbie jeeps
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> or a hornet
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> which would be more fun
[16/09 - 06:19] <Shogun_Seras|TC> hornet!!!
[16/09 - 06:19] <Archer> or even a pnt
[16/09 - 06:19] <Rodon> But if quest 2 were for salvage it could teach them how to repair or sell salvage.
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> nah pnt is too powerful
[16/09 - 06:19] <buc`> or ask me and ill sell one for 10 mil
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> ya
[16/09 - 06:19] <Daderk> well idk maybe like adding quests so the new guys would do all the quests and then as a final reward for the quests was a random light non-salvageable mech
[16/09 - 06:19] <buc`> hnts
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> true rodon
[16/09 - 06:19] <Rodon> random light.
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> buc
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> that requires getting into chat
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> and finding who to talk to
[16/09 - 06:19] <Hoppy> most newbies dont get to that before they give up
[16/09 - 06:19] <buc`> true
[16/09 - 06:20] <Archer> the quest for salvage would be good
[16/09 - 06:20] <Daderk> i think the first thing the newbies do is click the quests tab
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> ya seeing as its highlighted
[16/09 - 06:20] <Daderk> im pretty sure thats what i did
[16/09 - 06:20] <Archer> all the first quest tells you is how to move and shoot
[16/09 - 06:20] <Shogun_Seras|TC> that's cuz it's highlighted
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> dude
[16/09 - 06:20] <Archer> while not getting shot at
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> i was right there to help tho
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> u had an unfair advantage
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> :-P
[16/09 - 06:20] <Daderk> lol
[16/09 - 06:20] <Daderk> no
[16/09 - 06:20] <Daderk> i called you!
[16/09 - 06:20] <Rodon> It needs streamlining. I had trouble with it when I started.
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> watever
[16/09 - 06:20] <Archer> well i'm off
[16/09 - 06:20] <Hoppy> close enuff
[16/09 - 06:20] * Archer is now known as Arch|afk
[16/09 - 06:21] <Hoppy> well i think that better starting units and more quests should be at the forefront of newbie help
[16/09 - 06:21] <trip> should teach them the numbers of battle
[16/09 - 06:21] <trip> while they do it
[16/09 - 06:21] <trip> makes a big difference
[16/09 - 06:22] <trip> ex. movement adds X to hit
[16/09 - 06:22] <Hoppy> well we'd need to get in depth on the quests
[16/09 - 06:22] <Hoppy> and thats a good idea to have in it
[16/09 - 06:22] <Daderk> ya the heat calc will help newbies with piloting mechs though
[16/09 - 06:22] <buc`> yeah
[16/09 - 06:23] <Daderk> ummm but yea quests need alot of work
[16/09 - 06:23] <Daderk> the more the better really
[16/09 - 06:23] <trip> and i agree with the newbie mech not salvagable
[16/09 - 06:23] <Daderk> maybe do alittle like WoW and have 'daily' quests
[16/09 - 06:23] <Daderk> ones that can be repeated ever 24hours
[16/09 - 06:23] <Hoppy> meh, have them be small
[16/09 - 06:23] <Hoppy> extremely simple things
[16/09 - 06:23] <Rodon> too much code unless they are revolving.
[16/09 - 06:23] <Hoppy> like the current quest but with diff objectivs
[16/09 - 06:24] <Rodon> can see that.
[16/09 - 06:24] <Hoppy> like "Shoot down the building"
[16/09 - 06:24] <Hoppy> wait...
[16/09 - 06:24] <Hoppy> nevermind we dont want more pauses
[16/09 - 06:24] <Rodon> lol
[16/09 - 06:24] <Daderk> i mean more like, fight off the pirates! and for the quest you enter a battle with pirates that have a range of BV based on your level
[16/09 - 06:24] <Daderk> and you go fight
[16/09 - 06:25] <Daderk> but you can only fight them once a day
[16/09 - 06:25] <Hoppy> like invasion
[16/09 - 06:25] <Starborn> allright im back what did i miss?
[16/09 - 06:25] <Hoppy> a stripper
[16/09 - 06:25] <Daderk> idk i say like WoW
[16/09 - 06:25] <Hoppy> and a hooker
[16/09 - 06:25] <Hoppy> and some money
[16/09 - 06:25] <Daderk> i played WoW
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> well in invasion there is a pirate planet
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> where u can go to fight pirates
[16/09 - 06:26] <Rodon> discussing ways to improve newbie play
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> which i think is better then the old pirate system
[16/09 - 06:26] <Starborn> ahh
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> course the old pirate system was good as well
[16/09 - 06:26] <Daderk> ya
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> because the pirates would rip up defenses
[16/09 - 06:26] <Daderk> something like that
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> and ppl would have to put time into their emps
[16/09 - 06:26] <Hoppy> so meh, can go either way
[16/09 - 06:26] <Starborn> old pirate system is how i got my rhino
[16/09 - 06:27] <Daderk> lucky...
[16/09 - 06:27] <Starborn> then nev bugs screwed me out of it
[16/09 - 06:27] <buc`> lol
[16/09 - 06:27] <buc`> i got a dest that way
[16/09 - 06:27] <buc`> then mattbuck stole it
[16/09 - 06:27] <Hoppy> meh least u didnt get ur rhino scrapped :-P
[16/09 - 06:27] <buc`> and he didn't scrap any mechs either hoppy
[16/09 - 06:27] <buc`> :P
[16/09 - 06:27] <Hoppy> lol
[16/09 - 06:27] <Hoppy> i got a dest from JD
[16/09 - 06:27] <Hoppy> but anyway
[16/09 - 06:27] <Hoppy> off topic
[16/09 - 06:28] <Starborn> ok thats going off topic
[16/09 - 06:28] <Hoppy> ive said all i think i want covered for the changes
[16/09 - 06:28] <Starborn> lets keep alliance issues out of this ok?
[16/09 - 06:28] <buc`> from what ive seen so far
[16/09 - 06:28] <Hoppy> support the newbies, give them better starting units, and more quests so they can get involved
[16/09 - 06:28] <Hoppy> and maybe a popup on how to get into chat
[16/09 - 06:28] <buc`> some people like 3
[16/09 - 06:28] <buc`> some 9
[16/09 - 06:28] <buc`> some 7
[16/09 - 06:28] <buc`> everyone likes 2
[16/09 - 06:29] <Starborn> and like ive said since the begining lets try to bring every alliance in neveron into this discussion
[16/09 - 06:29] <buc`> #2 seems to be in everyones top 2 or 3
[16/09 - 06:29] <Starborn> those who can vote and those who cant as well
[16/09 - 06:29] <Starborn> nice to see wob representing:)
[16/09 - 06:29] <Hoppy> 3 is the most important...
[16/09 - 06:29] <Hoppy> meh we are the most active players in this game
[16/09 - 06:30] <Daderk> i think 3 is the most important
[16/09 - 06:30] <Starborn> i agree but i think 3 should be player driven
[16/09 - 06:30] <Rodon> both skill ups and military rep are extreme.
[16/09 - 06:30] <Starborn> giving wws time to weed out bad code
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> i dont care about skillups and mil rep tbh....
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> if u're active those things dont matter
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> if u sit on ur hands
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> u get screwed
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> i mean i get pissed when my -2 gunners skillup
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> but i can get em back down
[16/09 - 06:30] <Hoppy> thats why the best skill system is in place
[16/09 - 06:30] <Starborn> id agree but ive seen to many active emps get screwed in that as well
[16/09 - 06:31] <Starborn> i think a cap on skillups
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> meh, fake raids is all i have to say
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> i see everyone doing them
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> they seem to work for you guys
[16/09 - 06:31] <Rodon> Heel I took a level 0 to level 4 this weekend and my military rep is -9.
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> so?
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> that means u havent killed much
[16/09 - 06:31] <Starborn> i mean once a guys gotten so good even without training there is a point he shouldnt skillup
[16/09 - 06:31] <Daderk> you war and it goes up
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> u get rep as u kill units...
[16/09 - 06:31] <Starborn> past
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> starborn gotta keep his skills sharp tho
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> maybe no skillups if he fights at least once every nevyear?
[16/09 - 06:31] <Daderk> ya he might get alittle rusty :P
[16/09 - 06:31] <Hoppy> but then ppl would make fake raids
[16/09 - 06:32] <Starborn> true but a 2 or 3 gun isnt gonna forget how to shoot
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> and never skillup
[16/09 - 06:32] <Rodon> Hop. I killed eveything I saw. Remember we are talking a noob Emp!
[16/09 - 06:32] <Starborn> cap it at 4 or 5 i say
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> cap at 5 imo
[16/09 - 06:32] <Starborn> and rep atm is screwed up
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> ive heard a lot of ppl say that
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> rep is baed on BV difference
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> based*
[16/09 - 06:32] <Starborn> i know hoppy
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> the more bv the unit you kill has the more rep
[16/09 - 06:32] <Starborn> but the codes screws up sometimes
[16/09 - 06:32] <Rodon> the nimbers skew.
[16/09 - 06:32] <Hoppy> if u kill a gecko with a mech u get .01 sometimes none
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> ya rep fluctuates
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> money does too
[16/09 - 06:33] <Daderk> i like 3, 7, 6, 5
[16/09 - 06:33] <Daderk> in that order :P
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> ive had some alarming fluctuations lately
[16/09 - 06:33] <Starborn> thats why im all for him just going after code
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> 600m dissapearing with no reason
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> starborn
[16/09 - 06:33] <Starborn> yep weve had that as well
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> thats what they've always been doing
[16/09 - 06:33] <Hoppy> and look where we are
[16/09 - 06:33] <Starborn> agian i think 3 needs to be player driven freeing him up for other stuff
[16/09 - 06:34] <Starborn> more player based admins or something
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> but what can we do?
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> we need newbies on chat before we can help
[16/09 - 06:34] <Starborn> and get the noob killer off the island
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> well elisius is trying to form a coalition to stop him
[16/09 - 06:34] <buc`> yes
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> you should join him
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> i will supply vehs
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> buc will u supply mechs?
[16/09 - 06:34] <trip> limit the number of noob wars
[16/09 - 06:34] <Starborn> player based admins to help them find chat
[16/09 - 06:34] <Starborn> stuff like that
[16/09 - 06:34] <buc`> if i can see they are going to help kill
[16/09 - 06:34] <buc`> sure
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> starborn a simple popup
[16/09 - 06:34] <trip> as the offensive party
[16/09 - 06:34] <Hoppy> on how to join chat
[16/09 - 06:34] <Starborn> yeah
[16/09 - 06:35] <Hoppy> we would have a HUGE increase in #neveron's population with that
[16/09 - 06:35] <Starborn> should be #neveron_newbie
[16/09 - 06:36] <Starborn> cause atm i dont even go into normal nev because its become a cesspool
[16/09 - 06:36] <Daderk> idk this game has a pretty steep learning curve, i think there needs to be some changes
[16/09 - 06:36] * PrimusHoppy whistles innocently
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> now who's responsible for that? :-P
[16/09 - 06:36] <Shogun_Seras|TC> lol
[16/09 - 06:36] * PrimusHoppy looks at buc
[16/09 - 06:36] <Daderk> but we can do some things to help
[16/09 - 06:36] * PrimusHoppy looks at self
[16/09 - 06:36] <buc`> cesspool?
[16/09 - 06:36] <buc`> O_O
[16/09 - 06:36] <buc`> me?
[16/09 - 06:36] <buc`> never!
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> dude
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> so many ppl hate you
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> because u're a very biased op
[16/09 - 06:36] <Daderk> lol sooo many people hate you hops :P
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> also your recent comments have not been up to par with an op
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> dude
[16/09 - 06:36] <Daderk> but everybody loves me!!
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> ppl dont hate me because of my authority
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> ppl hate me because im a dick
[16/09 - 06:36] <buc`> lets keep on topic
[16/09 - 06:36] <Hoppy> and i kill all their stuff
[16/09 - 06:37] <buc`> lets keep on topic
[16/09 - 06:37] <Daderk> but yea, umm starborn, #3 wouldnt require alot of time for WWS to make alot of progress in though
[16/09 - 06:37] <Starborn> true
[16/09 - 06:38] <Daderk> he could probably spend a day or 2 and make the game much easier to pick up
[16/09 - 06:38] <Rodon> Turn over Mergers to a player Admin!
[16/09 - 06:38] <Daderk> then he could move on to some of the more challenging stuff
[16/09 - 06:38] <Starborn> btw what im thinking is we discuss this here and in our own chat channels these next couple of days
[16/09 - 06:38] <Starborn> saturday we have a big sitdown with all the alliances that wish to
[16/09 - 06:38] <Starborn> we form our own idea which we all put into the box he left for our own suggestions
[16/09 - 06:39] <Starborn> thoughts?
[16/09 - 06:39] <Daderk> good idea, that way we can actually get our combined ideas accross to him
[16/09 - 06:39] <Starborn> which is what im looking for
[16/09 - 06:39] <Daderk> ya im game for that
[16/09 - 06:39] <Starborn> for god sakes lets put asside the hate we all have for each other and join in the one thing we all love
[16/09 - 06:39] <Starborn> this game
[16/09 - 06:40] <Starborn> cause lets admit it if we didnt love it we still wouldnt be playing:)
[16/09 - 06:40] <Daderk> :P i already said im game
[16/09 - 06:40] <Starborn> kk
[16/09 - 06:40] <Krumwel> hehe, true Starborn
[16/09 - 06:40] <Starborn> not sure who you are daderk
[16/09 - 06:40] <Starborn> for the record im udc
[16/09 - 06:40] <Daderk> i a WoB ;p
[16/09 - 06:41] <Rodon> LA and HL.
[16/09 - 06:41] <Shogun_Seras|TC> HL
[16/09 - 06:41] <Starborn> we need nc dest sol hoc and the small alliances then
[16/09 - 06:41] <Hoppy> God
[16/09 - 06:41] <Hoppy> NC is umm
[16/09 - 06:41] <Hoppy> nab and mags
[16/09 - 06:41] <Daderk> i used to live with Hoppy until a few months ago star
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> hoppy is havok back or just posting to piss peiople off?
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> havok is gone man
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[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> kk
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> called him awhile back
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> he aint comin back
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> get him back lol
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> ahh
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> oh well
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> meh
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> would take an effort
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> whos running stb macca?
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> no
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> frey
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> and bell
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> get him then
[16/09 - 06:42] <Hoppy> macca just came back
[16/09 - 06:42] <Starborn> tell bell to get with it
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[16/09 - 06:43] <Starborn> ill put the word out on my side you put the word out on youre side
[16/09 - 06:43] <Starborn> i think we can do this
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> right
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> ill delegate it to someone
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> hmmm
[16/09 - 06:43] <Daderk> me me me
[16/09 - 06:43] <Starborn> lol
[16/09 - 06:43] <Daderk> everyone likes me :P
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> ok then
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> derk it is
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> imma go play warcraft 3
[16/09 - 06:43] <Starborn> just throw it in the topic on all channels lol
[16/09 - 06:43] * PrimusHoppy waves his magic wand
[16/09 - 06:43] <Daderk> kk
[16/09 - 06:43] <Hoppy> derk you now have my authority to vote on changes with WoB's entire backing
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> well youll never hear me say this agian so better copy paste
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> thanks hoppy
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> :)
[16/09 - 06:44] * PrimusHoppy wanders off
[16/09 - 06:44] * PrimusHoppy (bleh@c-68-40-121-240.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #neveron_admin
[16/09 - 06:44] <Krumwel> lol
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> ok feel free to keep running this discusion all week
[16/09 - 06:44] * Shogun_Seras|TC setinfos that in #icon
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> get in touch with everyone you can
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> get the word out
[16/09 - 06:44] <Rodon> Perhaps someone could post a pub mail concerning this?
[16/09 - 06:44] <Starborn> im not very well spoken so it wont be me
[16/09 - 06:45] <Starborn> ill get redstar to do one next time i see him?
[16/09 - 06:45] <Starborn> or do you want to rodon?
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[16/09 - 06:45] <Rodon> Rodon, when will you learn to shut up?
[16/09 - 06:45] <Rodon> Yes. May not be coherant, but I can do it.
[16/09 - 06:46] <Starborn> ok since i seem to be the one that started this put the word out anytime im logged on pm whenever you want if you want to talk
[16/09 - 06:46] <Rodon> Is this an all day meeting Saturday or did you have a time in mind?
[16/09 - 06:46] <Starborn> and ill even make this channel an autojoin
[16/09 - 06:46] <Starborn> id say all day times put some peolpe off
[16/09 - 06:46] <Starborn> rememer we are dealign with people all over eartch
[16/09 - 06:46] <Starborn> earth
[16/09 - 06:47] <Rodon> Kind of a problem when players are global.
[16/09 - 06:47] <buc`> im out
[16/09 - 06:47] <buc`> laters
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> thanks buc
[16/09 - 06:47] <Shogun_Seras|TC> later buc
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> hwo do you do autojoin agian?
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> .usetautojoin on
[16/09 - 06:47] <Shogun_Seras|TC> you have to have access first
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> this isnt an invite only channel is it
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> ahh
[16/09 - 06:47] <Starborn> well ill try to remember to join every timei come on
[16/09 - 06:48] <Starborn> im gonna go back over the chat that happened when i was away brb
[16/09 - 06:48] <Rodon> We are loosing people.
[16/09 - 06:49] <Rodon> We kind of need a quorum of member concerning the meeting time.
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[16/09 - 06:49] <Rodon> hey JRR.
[16/09 - 06:49] <JRR_Tolkien> hey
[16/09 - 06:50] <Daderk> i can be online sometime around 1030 eastern
[16/09 - 06:50] <Daderk> pm
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[16/09 - 06:52] <Starborn> ok caught up
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[16/09 - 06:53] <Daderk_BRB> idk i think around now on saturday would work for alot of people
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> rodon we have till saturday to set meeting time
[16/09 - 06:53] <Daderk_BRB> maybe alittle earlier
[16/09 - 06:53] <Maghetti> hurray its Starborn
[16/09 - 06:53] <Rodon> Okay. I can br found in #Neveron most times.
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> kk
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> thanks for comming
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> ill be here
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> if im on
[16/09 - 06:53] <Starborn> hey mags
[16/09 - 06:54] <Starborn> welcome jrr als well
[16/09 - 06:54] <Rodon> sure. thanks for holding a round table.
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[16/09 - 06:54] <Starborn> anytime
[16/09 - 06:54] <Starborn> jrr mags questions?
[16/09 - 06:55] <Maghetti> i dont even know what we've been talking about,only comment
[16/09 - 06:55] <Starborn> kk
[16/09 - 06:55] <Starborn> well wws put out a pull have you seen it?
[16/09 - 06:55] <Maghetti> vote for the newbie stuff
[16/09 - 06:55] <Maghetti> they arnt going to know neverons history lets sucker in some new players :)
[16/09 - 06:55] <Starborn> acutally what we have discussed here is this
[16/09 - 06:55] <JRR_Tolkien> yes i saw the poll
[16/09 - 06:55] <Shogun_Seras|TC> Mags, that seems to be what we mostly all want
[16/09 - 06:56] <Starborn> over the next few all the alliances talk things over amoungest themselves
[16/09 - 06:56] <JRR_Tolkien> i actually used the other section and ranked how i think they should be taken care of
[16/09 - 06:56] <Starborn> saturday we hold a big sitdown and try to come up with a combined vote
[16/09 - 06:56] <Starborn> something we can all copy paste in our votes
[16/09 - 06:56] <Starborn> something that crosses the whole playerbase
[16/09 - 06:57] <Starborn> top thinking atm is newbies and battlecode i think
[16/09 - 06:58] <Starborn> player based admins to stear newbies to chat where they can get help and such
[16/09 - 06:58] <Maghetti> i think wws could put in only so much effort at a time for bringing in new players
[16/09 - 06:58] <Maghetti> in the extra time he should just work on fixing bugs imo
[16/09 - 06:58] <Starborn> which is why im thinking player bassed admins
[16/09 - 06:58] <Maghetti> dont be adding new crap with so few players left
[16/09 - 06:58] <Starborn> hes already got them coded
[16/09 - 06:58] <Starborn> just add to there powers a bit to help newbies out
[16/09 - 06:59] <Starborn> and hes free to work on code
[16/09 - 06:59] <Starborn> i think we all agreed 1 is the dumbest idea ever
[16/09 - 06:59] <Maghetti> #1 thing is to get dp rewards for those votingg for nev
[16/09 - 06:59] <Maghetti> to bring in players
[16/09 - 06:59] <Starborn> i just want every alliance we can think of to be part of this
[16/09 - 07:00] <Starborn> so we can go to wws as a playerbase and say here we want to help
[16/09 - 07:00] <Starborn> as well as here we think this would help
[16/09 - 07:00] <Maghetti> i think neveron the game is no worse for ware for how long it has beengoing
[16/09 - 07:01] <Starborn> battle code and bugs would be on the top of my list after newbies though
[16/09 - 07:01] <JRR_Tolkien> i believe all newbies when joining chat are now sent to neveron_newbies room
[16/09 - 07:01] <Maghetti> the players have left mainly do to you know getting killed, played to long, and mainly lack of admins
[16/09 - 07:01] <Starborn> yep
[16/09 - 07:01] <Starborn> and i think we need to hunt down newbie killers on the island and get rid of them
[16/09 - 07:01] <Maghetti> so if the game is still at a decent place gaming wise
[16/09 - 07:01] <Maghetti> why not focus on getting new players?
[16/09 - 07:01] <Starborn> that should be a job for player based admins as well
[16/09 - 07:02] <Starborn> those of us that are left cling to this game because we love it dispite its problems
[16/09 - 07:02] <Starborn> with its problems its hard to bring new people in
[16/09 - 07:02] <Starborn> trust me i know from trying to bring in all my rl friends
[16/09 - 07:02] <Starborn> us diehards stay in this game even thru the bugs lol
[16/09 - 07:02] <Maghetti> i think its problems CAME from admins disapearing mostly
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> its stil a good game any way you look at it
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> its always had bugs
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> yes and wws is now a man with a wife a kid and another on the way
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> anotherone? that bastard
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> isnt that why he said?
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> what
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> i thought i read that somewhere
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> i dont remember him saying that
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> maybe im wrong
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> but could be wrong
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> ok im wrong then lol
[16/09 - 07:03] <Starborn> but still even just 1 is enough
[16/09 - 07:03] <Maghetti> =)
[16/09 - 07:04] <Starborn> thats why i think he should turn over newbie stuff to some trusted newbie admins
[16/09 - 07:04] <Maghetti> i think it comes down to making t easier for noobs to start, and getting people voting
[16/09 - 07:04] <Maghetti> and advertising to
[16/09 - 07:04] <Maghetti> that may be where players can help
[16/09 - 07:04] <Starborn> so even if he is gone for awhile we still have the player based guys to help out
[16/09 - 07:04] <Daderk_BRB> well we have seen a large increase in the mpogd voting reciently
[16/09 - 07:04] <Starborn> good thinking
[16/09 - 07:04] <Maghetti> go into someone elses game and advertise :)
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[16/09 - 07:04] <Daderk> yea i did that
[16/09 - 07:04] <Daderk> got me banned for a year lol
[16/09 - 07:04] <Starborn> lol
[16/09 - 07:05] <Starborn> gotta be smart about it like
[16/09 - 07:05] <Daderk> ohh i just spammed like 150+ people
[16/09 - 07:05] <Starborn> hey neveron.com try it not as good as this game but fun
[16/09 - 07:05] <Starborn> bad bad daderk
[16/09 - 07:05] <Starborn> afk rr
[16/09 - 07:05] <Daderk> well im off to bed
[16/09 - 07:05] <Daderk> ill catch up later
[16/09 - 07:07] <Rodon> Yes Starborn. WWS did have another, and his wife had terrible cmplications.
[16/09 - 07:08] <Rodon> damn I can't type. It is 2 am here.
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[16/09 - 07:09] <Maghetti> i really like the idea of advertising
[16/09 - 07:09] <Maghetti> maybe increase the places we vote to get neveron noticed
[16/09 - 07:09] <Maghetti> some random myspace advertising, players going into other games and or gaming sites and advertising
[16/09 - 07:10] <Maghetti> combine that with increased easiness for noobs in game
[16/09 - 07:12] <Maghetti> isnt maghetti awesome
[16/09 - 07:14] <Maghetti> ill take all of this silence as a yes
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[16/09 - 07:16] <Rodon> must be somewhat careful with advertising.
[16/09 - 07:17] <Maghetti> whys that
[16/09 - 07:17] <Maghetti> hmm, rodon was it you who said you worked in some sort of advertising job
[16/09 - 07:18] <KD_afk> voting only for donators
[16/09 - 07:18] <Rodon> At one time. There are certain images and slogans which are copywritten. I think Wizkids owns them right now.
[16/09 - 07:18] <KD_afk> neat
[16/09 - 07:20] <Maghetti> aww only one of my logins can vote
[16/09 - 07:20] <Rodon> Their policy is to overlook BattleTech games which do not actively advertise or directly charge for playing, hence donations.
[16/09 - 07:21] <Maghetti> then we just dont use those images or slogans
[16/09 - 07:21] <Starborn> back agian
[16/09 - 07:22] <Maghetti> were not advertising for a profit either, its just like "hey look at this great free game, come play it"
[16/09 - 07:22] <Rodon> I do not pretend to be a lawyer, but only a court can decide which is infringement and which not. I doubt very much Randy will want to test those waters.
[16/09 - 07:22] <Rodon> But we could alsways ask him.
[16/09 - 07:22] <Maghetti> Rodon, is there a difference between adverising from the game its self
[16/09 - 07:23] <Maghetti> or player made advertisements
[16/09 - 07:23] <Starborn> kd yes only some can vote but what we are trying to do here is get input from everyone
[16/09 - 07:23] <Starborn> and put that into whats gonna be voted on
[16/09 - 07:23] <Starborn> welcome kd
[16/09 - 07:23] <Rodon> Again, it would be in the eyes of the beholder.
[16/09 - 07:23] <Starborn> guess we got dest and sol covered now
[16/09 - 07:23] <Starborn> so we come up with new stuff
[16/09 - 07:24] <Rodon> Technicly it might be perfectly legal, but if corporate lawyers get involved everybody except the lawyers will loose.
[16/09 - 07:24] <KD_afk> I won't speak for SoL
[16/09 - 07:24] <Starborn> kk
[16/09 - 07:24] <Starborn> hers what weve talked about so far
[16/09 - 07:24] <Starborn> heres
[16/09 - 07:25] <Maghetti> this idea came from what daderk did in the game gladiatus
[16/09 - 07:25] <Maghetti> where he got baned for a year
[16/09 - 07:25] <Maghetti> advertised for nev to 150 people
[16/09 - 07:25] <Starborn> yeah none of that spam crap it just makes us look desprete
[16/09 - 07:25] <Maghetti> that spam crap is where i find most games personally
[16/09 - 07:25] <Starborn> bah
[16/09 - 07:25] <Maghetti> :-)
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> have you seen the poll kd?
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> Starborn> over the next few all the alliances talk things over amoungest themselves
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <JRR_Tolkien> i actually used the other section and ranked how i think they should be taken care of
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <Starborn> saturday we hold a big sitdown and try to come up with a combined vote
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <Starborn> something we can all copy paste in our votes
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <Starborn> something that crosses the whole playerbase
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <Starborn> top thinking atm is newbies and battlecode i think
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> <Starborn> player based admins to stear newbies to chat where they can get help and such
[16/09 - 07:26] <Starborn> that should read over the next few days
[16/09 - 07:27] <Starborn> weve had hl la wob nc and a couple other alliances in here so far
[16/09 - 07:28] <Maghetti> wouldnt you count as hoc to?
[16/09 - 07:28] <Starborn> i dont speak for hoc
[16/09 - 07:28] <Starborn> im just a small fry from udc
[16/09 - 07:28] <Maghetti> heh
[16/09 - 07:29] <Starborn> the hoc bigwigs wont be on till tomorow probably
[16/09 - 07:30] <Starborn> plus id like this to be pan alliance
[16/09 - 07:30] <Starborn> where we can put asside the old grudges and make it a go for neveron as a whole
[16/09 - 07:31] <Starborn> kd if you havent seen the poll ill can copy paste it to you
[16/09 - 07:31] <Starborn> that goes for anyone else who hasnt seen it
[16/09 - 07:31] <KD_afk> please
[16/09 - 07:32] <Starborn> ok here it comes in all its glory
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[16/09 - 07:37] <Starborn> current thinking is 3
[16/09 - 07:37] <Starborn> then the one on battle code
[16/09 - 07:38] <KD_afk> I would go for the arena thingy, of course
[16/09 - 07:39] <Starborn> :)
[16/09 - 07:39] <KD_afk> seriously
[16/09 - 07:39] <Starborn> buc said the same thing
[16/09 - 07:39] <KD_afk> I believe that a good arena system is important
[16/09 - 07:39] <Maghetti> lol I wondered if you would say that, I personally think its about the game as a whole rather then what you as aperson are in to
[16/09 - 07:40] <Starborn> acutally a good arena system would help the game as a whole mags
[16/09 - 07:40] <Maghetti> any change would :P
[16/09 - 07:40] <Starborn> help people learn combat without to much loss to themselves
[16/09 - 07:41] <Maghetti> sims do that already
[16/09 - 07:41] <Starborn> i personelly havent used the arena system since before most of you started playing so i wouldnt know
[16/09 - 07:41] <KD_afk> nah, mags
[16/09 - 07:43] <KD_afk> as a total noob, you learn crap about the battle system in the sim
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[16/09 - 07:44] <Shogun_Seras|TC> sim isn't good for noobs to learn anything
[16/09 - 07:44] <Maghetti> meep
[16/09 - 07:44] <Starborn> welcome mpoo
[16/09 - 07:44] <Starborn> p
[16/09 - 07:44] * mp00afk waves
[16/09 - 07:44] <Starborn> you need a copy paste of the poll to?
[16/09 - 07:44] <mp00afk> im good i think
[16/09 - 07:44] <Starborn> cool cause it really sucks
[16/09 - 07:44] <Starborn> copy pasting that is
[16/09 - 07:44] <mp00afk> heh
[16/09 - 07:45] <Starborn> youre sol right?
[16/09 - 07:45] <mp00afk> im pretty much everything but hoc
[16/09 - 07:46] <Starborn> right
[16/09 - 07:46] <Starborn> im so not going over what we are looking for agian
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> Starborn> Starborn> over the next few all the alliances talk things over amoungest themselves
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <JRR_Tolkien> i actually used the other section and ranked how i think they should be taken care of
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <Starborn> saturday we hold a big sitdown and try to come up with a combined vote
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <Starborn> something we can all copy paste in our votes
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <Starborn> something that crosses the whole playerbase
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <Starborn> top thinking atm is newbies and battlecode i think
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> <Starborn> player based admins to stear newbies to chat where they can get help and such
[16/09 - 07:47] <Starborn> <Starborn> that should read over the next few days
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[16/09 - 07:48] <Starborn> welcome splurch
[16/09 - 07:48] <Splurch> yo
[16/09 - 07:48] <Splurch> just dropping by to see what the vote was
[16/09 - 07:48] <Maghetti> hi Splurchie
[16/09 - 07:48] <Starborn> vote is talk if over with youre allies
[16/09 - 07:48] <Starborn> decide on what we want to tell wws in the poll
[16/09 - 07:49] <Starborn> meet up on saturday and see if we cant come up with something we can all agree on
[16/09 - 07:49] <Splurch> ya, the poll is what Im looking for, was hoping there would be a link here
[16/09 - 07:49] <Starborn> give me a sec let me trys oemthing
[16/09 - 07:49] <Splurch> k
[16/09 - 07:50] <Starborn> ok im trying to send it to you
[16/09 - 07:50] <Splurch> try again
[16/09 - 07:50] <Splurch> did an autoreject
[16/09 - 07:50] <Starborn> there
[16/09 - 07:50] <JRR_Tolkien> it is under the empire tab under POLL
[16/09 - 07:50] <Splurch> bah, not going
[16/09 - 07:50] <Splurch> ah
[16/09 - 07:51] <Splurch> ok, Ill look there
[16/09 - 07:51] <Starborn> not if you havent donated 5 bucks in the last year jrr
[16/09 - 07:51] <JRR_Tolkien> i've not donated
[16/09 - 07:51] <Starborn> so some dont have it
[16/09 - 07:51] <Splurch> ah, I see it
[16/09 - 07:51] <Splurch> ty :)
[16/09 - 07:52] <JRR_Tolkien> and how do we know it won't let us vote unless we've donated 5 dollars in the last year
[16/09 - 07:52] <Maghetti> says so in the updates
[16/09 - 07:52] <Maghetti> that is set to appear soon as you login
[16/09 - 07:53] <JRR_Tolkien> wow that is dumb..
[16/09 - 07:53] <Splurch> ya, I saw the update when I just logged in :)
[16/09 - 07:53] <Starborn> thats funny because i dont have it
[16/09 - 07:53] <JRR_Tolkien> it should be open to everyone
[16/09 - 07:54] <Maghetti> its just another of those things that supports donation
[16/09 - 07:54] <JRR_Tolkien> there r many long time players that have NEVER donated
[16/09 - 07:54] <Maghetti> which keeps the game alive
[16/09 - 07:55] <Starborn> which is why im hopeing we can come up with something as a playerbase we can all agree on
[16/09 - 07:55] <Starborn> donaters and non all alliances
[16/09 - 07:55] <Maghetti> yep
[16/09 - 07:55] <Starborn> we should all be apart of this
[16/09 - 07:57] <Starborn> anyway im gonna get to sleep
[16/09 - 07:57] <mp00afk> pretty hard to get more then a handful to agree on anything...other then chet and thongs should never be in same sentance
[16/09 - 07:57] <Starborn> like i said earylier maybe topic it in youre respective rooms talk it over and then lets try to all meet on saturday
[16/09 - 07:58] <Starborn> well so far newbies and battlecode seem to be the top
[16/09 - 07:58] <Maghetti> i already have it topiced
[16/09 - 07:58] <Starborn> and most everyone has agreed to that
[16/09 - 07:58] <mp00afk> yup
[16/09 - 07:58] <Starborn> oh and no one seems to like 1 at all
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[16/09 - 07:59] <Splurch> thanks for the help :)
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[16/09 - 08:06] <Maghetti> sigh, we seem to have basicly no food left here at all
[16/09 - 08:07] <Maghetti> YES!! i found some crappy burritos
[16/09 - 08:08] <mp00afk> amazing i just lost some burrito toliet paper
[16/09 - 08:09] <Maghetti> hey its stillfood
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[16/09 - 11:15] <buc`> heya SM
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[16/09 - 11:34] <mattbuck> wtf?