Magnus's Login Abuse (Part i)

This is a chatlog details the collection of evidence of Magnus's login abuse of Airbag's empires. This was logged and collated by ShadowMasterCM, and dates from the 8th April 2008. All timestamps are EST unless stated otherwise.

Session Time: Tue Apr 08 00:00:00 2008

===PM with AFK=====

[02:17] <ShadowMasterCM> you around
[02:17] <AFK> yep
[02:17] <ShadowMasterCM> need to know if you own TTS
[02:17] <AFK> yep
[02:17] <ShadowMasterCM> you know who logan is?
[02:18] <AFK> i am checking old logs
[02:18] <ShadowMasterCM> ah fuck
[02:18] <ShadowMasterCM> he is not in SoL
[02:18] <AFK> i got it
[02:18] <AFK> SoN
[02:20] <AFK> [19:48] <AFK_buying_15DP_2bils> gimme login i will add it tomorrow
[02:20] <AFK> [19:48] <AFK_buying_15DP_2bils> add now
[02:20] <AFK> [19:48] <AFK_buying_15DP_2bils> for tomorrow
[02:20] <AFK> [19:49] <SoN> ok
[02:20] <AFK> [19:49] <SoN> andik
[02:20] <AFK> Session Start: Tue May 15 19:15:52 2007
[02:20] <AFK> Session Ident: SoN
[02:20] <AFK> did he ask you to forward?
[02:20] <ShadowMasterCM> not SoN
[02:21] <ShadowMasterCM> but I sold some DP tonight
[02:22] <ShadowMasterCM> so you added his login right
[02:22] <AFK> only phalan or proud should use my emp for buying dps
[02:22] <AFK> and those have their own logins
[02:22] <ShadowMasterCM> ok well ill let you slap him around for that one
[02:22] <AFK> i added SoN's login yes
[02:23] <ShadowMasterCM> and you think these are legit transfers?
[02:23] <AFK> so if it was son i will take care. tho if it wasnt him i need to know who did it to decide that
[02:23] <ShadowMasterCM> or did i deal with a scammer
[02:23] <AFK> problem is
[02:23] <ShadowMasterCM> Tred's sending me messages about how im helping a scammer
[02:23] <AFK> the smae login was used to sell all mech salvage out of tts
[02:24] <AFK> and nearly all vehicle stocks
[02:24] <ShadowMasterCM> ugh
[02:24] <ShadowMasterCM> no sounding good
[02:24] <ShadowMasterCM> let me know
[02:24] <ShadowMasterCM> i have info from him in a PM if needed
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 30128860 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:17:29 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 33303962 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:17:08 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 30111245 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:16:45 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 30128858 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:16:12 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 37287829 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:15:51 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 36383051 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 11:59:35 AM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 35077412 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 11:58:51 AM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 37676396 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 Fossil Rim 4/6/2008 11:31:50 AM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles PRT-2A $3,150,000 3 $8,505,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:37:03 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles SCH-0A $12,250,000 3 $33,075,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:34:58 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles ONT-00 $15,555,556 4 $56,000,002 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:30:46 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles ONT-LRM $13,300,000 47 $562,590,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:28:53 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles TX-S2 $3,150,001 35 $99,225,016 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:30:14 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 31138415 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:18:26 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 37344905 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:18:10 PM
[02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> MechSalvage 30128861 $1,000,000 1 $900,000 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:18:06 PM
[02:25] <AFK> [08:08] <AFK> Vehicles SAR-V $5,250,000 66 $311,850,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:41:31 PM
[02:25] <AFK> [08:08] <AFK> Vehicles STRM-X $10,500,000 1 $9,450,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:39:15 PM
[02:25] <AFK> [08:08] <AFK> Vehicles PRT-1A $10,500,000 1 $9,450,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:38:21 PM
[02:25] <ShadowMasterCM> well the DP sales guy is in #frin now
[02:25] <AFK> logan?
[02:27] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[02:27] <ShadowMasterCM> i figured it was all legit since he was in there and such
[02:28] <AFK> he is only person right in there that i remeber by name but cant sort into alliance/empire
[02:29] <ShadowMasterCM> well he is the transactions of cash sent from you in the last 30 minutes
[02:30] <ShadowMasterCM> i just sold DP to him
[02:30] <ShadowMasterCM> same to emps that bought out your stocks
[02:30] <ShadowMasterCM> GM and Lansing
[02:32] <AFK> [08:29] <AFK> Magnus (darel1966@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com) has joined #neveron
[02:32] <AFK> [08:30] <AFK> Logan (webchat@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com) has joined #neveron
[02:32] <AFK> logan is just a rename of magnus
[02:32] <AFK> magnus used that ip for long time
[02:37] <ShadowMasterCM> what is xanadoo.com?
[02:38] <AFK> some provider
[02:38] <ShadowMasterCM> so thats an isp?
[02:38] <AFK> will check that next hour
[02:39] <AFK> need to work a bit
[02:39] <ShadowMasterCM> what are the odds that an exact IP match like that would end up a NEveron player in AfterNET Irc chat?
[02:39] <AFK> if he repetedly has the same ip
[02:39] <AFK> it is a static ip
[02:39] <AFK> and there is the chance to another playser minimal. onlyif they share internet
[02:50] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah, about what i figured, not very knowlegable on ISP / network kind of stuff myself
[03:11] <ShadowMasterCM> ok so what are the options to deal with this ?

======PM with Rubin of AfterNET===========

[02:54] <ShadowMasterCM> Hello sir
[02:54] <ShadowMasterCM> wonder if you are around
[02:55] <ShadowMasterCM> i need a lil help from you trying to catch a potential cheater in our Neveron game
[02:55] <ShadowMasterCM> he may be using his AfterNET login on connect to hide his known identity
[02:55] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan is webchat@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net * AfterNET WebChat
[02:55] <ShadowMasterCM> that is the suspect player
[02:56] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus (darel1966@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com)
[02:56] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan (webchat@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com)
[02:56] <ShadowMasterCM> logan is just a rename of magnus
[02:56] <ShadowMasterCM> magnus used that ip for long time
[02:56] <ShadowMasterCM> can you confirm that an existing player darel is actually also the player Logan for me
[03:13] <Rubin> its the same ip..
[03:16] <ShadowMasterCM> thank you dcraig answered me as well
[03:16] <ShadowMasterCM> can you enlighten me on any further useful means to ID the users as one
[03:16] <ShadowMasterCM> or from one house
[03:17] <ShadowMasterCM> or explain why they couldnt be 2 dif places
[03:17] <ShadowMasterCM> etc
[03:19] <Rubin> i dont quite understand
[03:19] <ShadowMasterCM> k
[03:19] <ShadowMasterCM> one sec
[03:36] <ShadowMasterCM> ty for your help
[03:36] <ShadowMasterCM> later

====PM with dCraig [after no initial response from Rubin]====
* I copy pasted my initial message to rubin, then continued *

[03:08] <ShadowMasterCM> there is a Magnus now active in chat
[03:08] <ShadowMasterCM> user name is also darel
[03:08] <ShadowMasterCM> his game login is Magnus66
[03:09] <ShadowMasterCM> as in his birth year
[03:09] <dcraig> magnus is using the same IP as the Logan person
[03:09] <ShadowMasterCM> he is actually an ally / friend of mine thru the game
[03:09] <ShadowMasterCM> right now currently?
[03:09] <dcraig> yes, currently
[03:09] <ShadowMasterCM> that IP i pasted was from old logs, wanted to confirm
[03:10] <dcraig> 74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net
[03:10] <dcraig> that one
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> what other useful info can you tell me about that IP
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> is this a school location
[03:10] <dcraig> no idea
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> maybe a scumbag roommate
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> or is it def a 'home' IP
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> that kind of stuff
[03:10] <ShadowMasterCM> im a noob with IPs and such
[03:11] <ShadowMasterCM> need as many 'facts' as i can gather
[03:11] <dcraig> OrgName: Clearwire, LLC
[03:11] <dcraig> OrgID: CLEAR-26
[03:11] <dcraig> Address: 5808 Lake Washington Blvd NE
[03:11] <dcraig> Address: Suite 300
[03:11] <dcraig> City: Kirkland
[03:11] <dcraig> StateProv: WA
[03:11] <dcraig> PostalCode: 98033
[03:11] <dcraig> Country: US
[03:11] <dcraig> NetRange: 74.60.0.0 - 74.61.255.255
[03:11] <dcraig> that's the company that owns that IP
[03:11] <ShadowMasterCM> k

Session Ident: #Neveron_Holiday_Raffle

[03:20] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite rubin
[03:20] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite dcraig
[03:20] * Joins: Rubin (rubin@rubin.Users.AfterNET.Org)
[03:20] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite AFK
[03:20] * Joins: AFK (airbagTTS@airbagTTS.Users.AfterNET.Org)
[03:22] * Joins: dcraig (dcraig@omg.lol)
[03:22] <Rubin> what is it you want to know exactly?
[03:23] <ShadowMasterCM> i want to determine as closely as we can if this in fact the same IP / player with as little doubt as possible
[03:23] <ShadowMasterCM> if i can do that, I plan to contact the game admin with the 'evidence' and get him punished
[03:23] <ShadowMasterCM> but i cant go with a lot of maybe crap
[03:23] <Rubin> webchat@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net and webchat@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com are not the same...
[03:24] <Rubin> i dont think i have any more info than you do?
[03:25] <ShadowMasterCM> dcraig, what did you tell me about the IPs before?
[03:25] <Rubin> i'm lagging out.
[03:25] <ShadowMasterCM> thats why i was trying to paste what i had so far
[03:25] <ShadowMasterCM> before we started all the questions
[03:25] <dcraig> I told you that the Magnus that is online now is using the same IP as the Logan guy from earlier
[03:25] <Rubin> pasting 3 screens of crap isnte really usefull
[03:25] <ShadowMasterCM> well it was convos that i had seperately
[03:26] <ShadowMasterCM> figured i needed to get us together to clarify things
[03:26] <Rubin> i dont see any magnus or logans online
[03:26] <ShadowMasterCM> ok i just saw the diff in the IPs
[03:27] <Rubin> oh theres magnus
[03:27] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus is logged in as darel
[03:27] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[03:27] <Rubin> yeah so his host is the clearwire one
[03:27] <Rubin> does that mean anything? :)
[03:27] <ShadowMasterCM> this guy is supposed to be a friend/ ally in the game Neveron
[03:27] <ShadowMasterCM> it appears he may be involved in login abuse with in our game
[03:28] <Rubin> its possible they are friends/family sharing the same computer
[03:28] <ShadowMasterCM> i am asking for your professional opinions on the odds that darel and 'logan' are the same player / IP
[03:28] <Rubin> the ip is the same
[03:28] <ShadowMasterCM> ok, so possible is best your experience can confirm this then...
[03:28] <dcraig> we've already determined that Magnus is using the same IP as Logan
[03:28] <ShadowMasterCM> im an Irc/ IP noob
[03:28] <ShadowMasterCM> so i need your thoughts
[03:29] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah I had PMd rubin first
[03:29] <ShadowMasterCM> then you replied as well dcraig
[03:29] <dcraig> so there are either multiple people using the computer in that house, or they're the same person
[03:29] <Rubin> ya
[03:29] <Rubin> or darel used magnus's nick as a joke
[03:30] <ShadowMasterCM> the other person in this chat is the guy getting ripped off in our game
[03:30] <ShadowMasterCM> not sure he has read up in here just yet
[03:30] <Rubin> anyone can use any open nick
[03:30] <ShadowMasterCM> he may have auto accpeted my invite
[03:30] <Rubin> so its not exactly proof they are the same person
[03:30] <dcraig> he looks like he might be afk ;)
[03:30] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[03:30] <ShadowMasterCM> i think he is at work
[03:31] <ShadowMasterCM> right, the magnus nick is using his login on connect
[03:31] <ShadowMasterCM> so it says 'afternet'
[03:31] <Rubin> yeah
[03:31] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK had old logs that showed the 'darel66' used that same IP as 'logan' did tonight
[03:31] <ShadowMasterCM> i know magnus is darel
[03:31] <Rubin> your trying to tell if darel66 is also darel?
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> i also know that magnus uses a login in Neveron Magnus66, 66 as in his birth year
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> yes
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> or is darel really magnus logged in twice
[03:32] <Rubin> the nev server admins should be able to tell if their ips are the same, too.
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> ripping of players in one persona, and acting innocent in another
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah well i cant get ahold of them just yet
[03:32] <ShadowMasterCM> is awol atm
[03:33] <ShadowMasterCM> but I am now a Player Admin in the Neveron game
[03:33] <Rubin> email?
[03:33] <ShadowMasterCM> so I will eventually reach him
[03:33] <Rubin> hehe
[03:33] <Rubin> k
[03:33] <Rubin> sounds like you got it under control then
[03:33] <ShadowMasterCM> we have a PA channel, but havent seen him there in a while
[03:33] <ShadowMasterCM> well im trying to
[03:34] <ShadowMasterCM> thats why i wanted your thoughts , as i dont want to make any noob wrong conclusions
[03:34] <Rubin> i wouldnt make any conclusions
[03:34] <Rubin> just ask the nev people to check into it
[03:34] <ShadowMasterCM> and i wasnt sure i could ask this sort of questions to any #help Op
[03:34] <Rubin> they can either confirm your suspicions or they cant
[03:34] <ShadowMasterCM> so i started with you Rubin and worked my way down
[03:35] <ShadowMasterCM> well the ISP is what tipped us off to track this palyer
[03:35] <Rubin> or maybe they dont care. sock puppets arnt exactly new to gaming
[03:35] <ShadowMasterCM> so next step will be Nev confirmations and fines as well as likely deletions
[03:35] <Rubin> he could just tell them its his brother
[03:35] <ShadowMasterCM> true
[03:36] <Rubin> short of a suppoena the internet really is anonymous
[03:36] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[03:36] <Rubin> i gotta run
[03:36] <Rubin> good luck
[03:36] * Parts: Rubin (rubin@rubin.Users.AfterNET.Org)
[03:37] <dcraig> okie dokie
[03:37] <dcraig> cya later! :)
[03:37] * Parts: dcraig (dcraig@omg.lol)

[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus is darel1966@darel.Users.AfterNET.Org * Darel Howard
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus on +#LC #neveron
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus using *.afternet.org Afternet IRC Network
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus is logged in as darel
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus End of /WHOIS list.

[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan is webchat@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net * AfterNET WebChat
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan on @#liao_recruits #LC #Triumvirate #FRIN #neveron
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan using *.afternet.org Afternet IRC Network
[03:48] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan End of /WHOIS list.

* Pasted PMs from above into channel for AFK *

[05:11] <ShadowMasterCM> in here...catch up...then we can talk
[06:06] <AFK> re sorry boss had visit
[06:07] <AFK> from old logs of this irc client:
[06:07] <ShadowMasterCM> no trouble
[06:07] <AFK> Magnus (darel1966@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com) has joined #neveron
[06:07] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite mattbuck
[06:07] * Joins: mattbuck (mattbuck@mattbuck.Users.AfterNET.Org)
[06:07] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah i have that info afk
[06:08] <ShadowMasterCM> and i also have your logan login as well
[06:08] <AFK> hi mb
[06:08] <ShadowMasterCM> matt, this has turned into a royal cluster phuck
[06:08] <ShadowMasterCM> ill try to catch you up as i can
[06:08] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK just returned from a meeting and is replying to all previous chat wth rubin and dcraig
[06:09] <ShadowMasterCM> then ill ask you for info of 'logan'
[06:10] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK, who was this player SoN that you added a login for?
[06:10] <mattbuck> SoN? i remember him
[06:11] <AFK> was a dest player back then
[06:11] <mattbuck> think he was 3legion too
[06:11] <AFK> pops up from time to time
[06:11] <AFK> yeah
[06:11] <AFK> dest izw
[06:11] <AFK> and then izw-> 3legion
[06:11] <ShadowMasterCM> ok afk added a login for SoN recently
[06:11] <AFK> last year
[06:11] <AFK> when son still was using
[06:11] <AFK> andik
[06:11] <AFK> as login
[06:11] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK has had his SoL emp cleaned out armory of vehs and salv mechs
[06:12] <ShadowMasterCM> the clean out was 4/6/08
[06:12] <ShadowMasterCM> then that same login was used to buy DP from me tonight
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands Hansens RoughRiders 500,000,000 4/7/2008 10:55:02 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands 1st Marik Marauders: Royal Guard 500,000,000 4/7/2008 10:49:48 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands Highland Glucksburg 500,000,000 4/7/2008 10:49:02 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands HeLLs ÐragØØns of Sin 300,000,000 4/7/2008 10:35:20 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands Oonthrax Stables 400,000,000 4/7/2008 5:53:28 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands prominis1 100,000,000 4/7/2008 5:53:00 PM andik
[06:12] <AFK> The Temporal Sands The Davinian Protectorate 1,000,000,000 4/6/2008 3:44:32 PM andik
[06:12] <ShadowMasterCM> the chat player was 'logan'
[06:13] <ShadowMasterCM> Hansen, 1st marik, HG, Hells where all my DP sales
[06:13] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 07:27] * Logan (webchat@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net) Quit (Quit: Goodbye! (www.afternet.org))
[06:13] <AFK> Vehicles SAR-V $5,250,000 66 $311,850,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:41:31 PM
[06:13] <AFK> ..
[06:13] <mattbuck> shit
[06:13] <AFK> Vehicles TX-S2 $3,150,001 35 $99,225,016 General Motors 4/6/2008 1:30:14 PM
[06:13] <AFK> ..
[06:13] <ShadowMasterCM> Oonthrax, prom and davian i have no idea
[06:14] <mattbuck> so andik was his login?
[06:14] <AFK> yep
[06:14] <ShadowMasterCM> the empires i sold the DP too where the Gen Motor and lansing emps that cleaned out his armory as well
[06:14] <ShadowMasterCM> and i spoke to logan in PMs
[06:14] <AFK> Total sales and general transfers $ 1,221,172,242 $1,000,000,000 max
[06:14] <AFK> Faction leader transfers* $ 0 $1,000,000,000 max
[06:14] <AFK> Total sales and transfers $ 1,221,172,242 $2,000,000,000 max
[06:14] <ShadowMasterCM> i did a who is and got same info
[06:15] <mattbuck> yeah, i'm searching logs for that hostmask
[06:16] <ShadowMasterCM> we came up with 2 nicks
[06:16] <ShadowMasterCM> but the #neveron logs we have are not very old
[06:17] <ShadowMasterCM> <AFK> [08:29] <AFK> Magnus (darel1966@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com) has joined #neveron
[06:17] <ShadowMasterCM> <AFK> [08:30] <AFK> Logan (webchat@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com) has joined #neveron
[06:17] <mattbuck> [15/11 - 09:26] * Magnus (Magnus@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net) has joined #DD
[06:17] <ShadowMasterCM> [06:13] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 07:27] * Logan (webchat@74-60-237-98.abl.clearwire-dns.net) Quit (Quit: Goodbye! (www.afternet.org))
[06:18] <mattbuck> yeah, i wanted nicks other than him, since he's clearly a fake
[06:18] <ShadowMasterCM> ok matt so you just linked the other mask to him as well
[06:18] <ShadowMasterCM> magnus claimes to be a married guy
[06:18] <ShadowMasterCM> was at his inlaws tonight
[06:19] <mattbuck> convenient
[06:19] <ShadowMasterCM> so the younger brother or roommate crap wont float here
[06:19] <ShadowMasterCM> we havent talked to Magnus yet
[06:19] <AFK> pancho has

===PM between Pancho and Magnus=== (timestamps are GMT)

[10:37] <Magnus> lol I hope you are not trying to say i did it
[10:37] <Pancho_the_Pirate> did you give that login to anyone else?
[10:38] <Magnus> well I kept the one empire with a TC and gave the other ones away
[10:39] <Pancho_the_Pirate> aha and to who, cos it was this guy then who did it
[10:39] <Magnus> it was to a newbie named logan
[10:39] <Magnus> the other empires i wasn't that crazy for
[10:40] <Magnus> i just wanted the one with the TC
[10:40] <Magnus> and this new guy was looking for an empire for someone to just give to him so i gave him those
[10:40] <Pancho_the_Pirate> a newbie who knows pretty well how to abuse logins...
[10:40] <Pancho_the_Pirate> yeah
[10:40] <Magnus> i mean looking for an empire for someone to give him
[10:41] <Magnus> well he says he was new and only had a level 0 and wanted something better to start out with
[10:41] <Pancho_the_Pirate> yeah
[10:41] <Pancho_the_Pirate> shit
[10:41] <Magnus> what happened anyway?
[10:42] <Magnus> lol i guess i fucked up for giving those empires away huh?
[10:42] <Pancho_the_Pirate> oh, he just bought 12 salvage mechs, tanks worth a couple of bil and send transfer for some more bil
[10:42] <Magnus> holy shit
[10:42] <Pancho_the_Pirate> yes
[10:43] <Magnus> did you report it?
[10:44] <Pancho_the_Pirate> LOL to who?
[10:44] <Magnus> to wws
[10:44] <Magnus> isn't that illegal?
[10:44] <Pancho_the_Pirate> can you please ask him to return the stuff, this is just bad attitude
[10:44] <Pancho_the_Pirate> WW doesnt care about this game
[10:44] <Pancho_the_Pirate> I mean you gave him the login and the empires, maybe he'll listen to you
[10:45] <Magnus> yeah i will ask
[10:45] <Pancho_the_Pirate> he really caused a lot of monetary damage
[10:45] <Magnus> damn man that really sucks
[10:45] <Magnus> i had no idea that this shit would happen
[10:45] <Magnus> what makes you think it was from that login?
[10:45] <Pancho_the_Pirate> if he gives it back theres not much damage if he keeps it...
[10:45] <Pancho_the_Pirate> the logs
[10:46] <Pancho_the_Pirate> he sent a lot of money
[10:46] <Magnus> ah
[10:46] <Pancho_the_Pirate> to buy DP from people he was talking to
[10:46] <Magnus> well i will ask him as soon as i see him
[10:46] <Pancho_the_Pirate> which we talked to and got his name from
[10:47] <Pancho_the_Pirate> thank you
[10:47] <Pancho_the_Pirate> its just unbelievable that people think they should just hurt everyone no matter what and how
[10:47] <Pancho_the_Pirate> this is a GAME
[10:48] <Magnus> hey we could try and login and get it
[10:48] <Magnus> have you tried that yet?
[10:48] <Magnus> yeah that is retarted
[10:48] <Magnus> retarded
[10:50] <Pancho_the_Pirate> I dont have the new pwd
[10:50] <Pancho_the_Pirate> you or he changed it
[10:50] <Magnus> i didn't change it
[10:53] <Magnus> damn man i am really sorry i had no idea that something like this would ever happen just from letting somebody have a few small level empires
[10:53] <Magnus> people are immature
[10:54] <Magnus> lol i was just trying to be nice
[10:54] <Magnus> and i guess it backfired
[10:54] <Pancho_the_Pirate> yeah, same here
[10:55] <Magnus> teaches me to be nice
[10:55] <Pancho_the_Pirate> well, maybe we can convince him that this is no way to play a game
[10:55] <Magnus> yeah I hope so
[10:56] <Magnus> i will see what i can do
[10:56] <Magnus> but hey it is 4 am in the morning here
[10:56] <Magnus> and it is time for me to get some sleep
[10:56] <Pancho_the_Pirate> have a good night
[10:56] <Magnus> i will talk to you tomorrow and as soon as i see him i will message you
[10:57] <Magnus> or if you aren't on would you like me to email you or something?
[10:57] <Pancho_the_Pirate> email is always nice
[10:57] <Pancho_the_Pirate> same as paypal address
[10:58] <Magnus> ok will do sir
[10:58] <Magnus> well have a good night
[10:58] <Pancho_the_Pirate> good day actually ;-)
[10:58] <Pancho_the_Pirate> sleep well
[10:58] <Magnus`afk> lol yeah
[10:58] <Magnus`afk> night
[10:58] <Magnus`afk> or good day i mean
[10:59] <Magnus`afk> lol i am so tired i don't know what i am saying
Session Close: Tue Apr 08 10:59:58 2008

===#Neveron_Holiday_Raffle===

[06:19] <ShadowMasterCM> thats what i knew from the constant PMs i have with him
[06:19] <AFK> [10:54] <Pancho_the_Pirate> [10:53] <Magnus> damn man i am really sorry i had no idea that something like this would ever happen just from letting somebody have a few small level empires
[06:19] <AFK> [10:54] <Pancho_the_Pirate> [10:53] <Magnus> people are immature
[06:19] <AFK> [10:54] <Pancho_the_Pirate> [10:54] <Magnus> lol i was just trying to be nice
[06:19] <AFK> [10:54] <Pancho_the_Pirate> [10:54] <Magnus> and i guess it backfired
[06:19] <mattbuck> i'd like to ask malachi about him
[06:20] <ShadowMasterCM> what is that from afk?
[06:20] <ShadowMasterCM> when did pancho speak with him?
[06:24] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK is at work still i think, so he may go afk here and there matt
[06:25] <mattbuck> humm, son used son.users.afternet.org
[06:26] <ShadowMasterCM> i have my mirc set to do a 'who is' when im pmd
[06:26] <ShadowMasterCM> when logan pmd me, i got no such info
[06:26] <ShadowMasterCM> i had to manually 'who is' him
[06:26] <mattbuck> interesting
[06:26] <ShadowMasterCM> there is no doubt in my mind about the darel66 thing
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> I know thats magnus
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> his login is magnus66
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> he had several logins that had 67 68 etc
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> 66 was his birth year
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> he real name is darel
[06:27] <ShadowMasterCM> etc etc
[06:27] <mattbuck> darel 66?
[06:28] <ShadowMasterCM> the question is are the login abuse and logan and magnus all the same person
[06:28] <ShadowMasterCM> darel1966
[06:28] <ShadowMasterCM> (darel1966@99-162-26-72-txabi.xanadoo.com)
[06:28] <mattbuck> ah
[06:28] <ShadowMasterCM> i know thats magnus
[06:28] <ShadowMasterCM> i have been helping him more than any other noob
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:22] <Malachi> no idea why
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:22] <Malachi> hes been around for a while, but i couldnt give u exact dates n stuff
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:23] <mattbuck> trustworthy in your opinion?
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:23] <Malachi> hes in hoc, and apparently wants to put a lev 9/10 somewhere in HoC
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:23] <Malachi> i dont know him well enough, he seems it but hes one of the low level HoCers imo
[06:28] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 11:23] <Malachi> who i unfortunately dunno too well
[06:29] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah well suposedly magnus way back when was in HoC
[06:29] <ShadowMasterCM> when he returned to Nev, he was in a faction with buc
[06:29] <mattbuck> http://mattbuck.irongalaxy.com/neveron/players.html#Magnus
[06:29] <ShadowMasterCM> thne he decided he wanted to join us as well
[06:30] <ShadowMasterCM> well buc said all hoc or no hoc
[06:30] <mattbuck> Magnus started playing Nev back in 2001, and joined the Lyran Alliance as his first faction. He played for several years, eventually joining HoC, before quitting to join the military. He returned a few years later and is now in the Triumvirate alliance.
[06:30] <ShadowMasterCM> so i got one of his empires that had already joined us
[06:30] <ShadowMasterCM> part of why i know about his logins etc
[06:30] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah i saw that tonight...
[06:31] <ShadowMasterCM> he explained the 1966 thing to me
[06:31] <ShadowMasterCM> birth year and such
[06:31] <ShadowMasterCM> so no doubt the ties
[06:31] <ShadowMasterCM> we have crossed both masks to logan and magnus
[06:32] <ShadowMasterCM> the nicks and login names all cross over as well
[06:32] <ShadowMasterCM> we just need to sort if this info could be hacked out from him like id theft kind of crap
[06:33] <ShadowMasterCM> i want better details on that pancho convo
[06:33] <mattbuck> same
[06:33] <ShadowMasterCM> logan was in similar channels as magnus
[06:33] <mattbuck> do we know he had access to andik?
[06:33] <ShadowMasterCM> people who want to find the #triumvirate channel usually cant
[06:34] <ShadowMasterCM> logan popped right in there tonight
[06:34] <ShadowMasterCM> offering to buy DP for 150 M
[06:34] <ShadowMasterCM> no...not yet
[06:34] <ShadowMasterCM> trying to tie together SoN / andik
[06:34] <mattbuck> it did seem odd to me
[06:35] <ShadowMasterCM> i didnt think much about it, had sold him 12 DP before afk / tred saw the transfers
[06:35] <ShadowMasterCM> logan was asking for gen transfers tho
[06:36] <ShadowMasterCM> didnt want to bother the FL to send out cash that way
[06:36] <ShadowMasterCM> then Magnus
[06:36] <AFK> re
[06:36] <AFK> pancho did talk to him in pms
[06:36] <mattbuck> wb baggy
[06:36] <AFK> this morning my time
[06:36] <AFK> about 90 mins ago
[06:36] <ShadowMasterCM> jumps into our chat and says he wants in on some of the DP being sold
[06:36] <ShadowMasterCM> k
[06:36] <ShadowMasterCM> and his explanation was ...
[06:38] <ShadowMasterCM> whats this about giving away smaller empires
[06:38] <AFK> pancho so far told me he had deals with magnus and thinks he is a kinda grown up who he could talk to
[06:38] <ShadowMasterCM> and what backfired on him
[06:38] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah i had same impression from him with my dealings
[06:38] <ShadowMasterCM> magnus has been selling pancho / SoL DP for weeks
[06:39] <AFK> seems he tries to tell pancho he did give out logins to others, whom did abuse them in regards to TTS
[06:39] <mattbuck> no log results for andik btw
[06:39] <ShadowMasterCM> cash has been being sent to my FL emps
[06:39] <ShadowMasterCM> andik was nev login
[06:39] <ShadowMasterCM> to the SoL emp
[06:39] <AFK> was SoNs BP login
[06:39] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK, more details on the other recent login abuse you suffered
[06:39] <AFK> prolly on one of his emps
[06:40] <mattbuck> yeah, i know
[06:40] <AFK> that was otkwarriors login
[06:40] <ShadowMasterCM> where cash was sent to HL emps
[06:40] <mattbuck> figured i'd check and see if it appeared anywhere
[06:40] <AFK> send 3 bils out of Wolf Pack
[06:40] <mattbuck> oh great, they have more cash to come at me with
[06:40] <AFK> my lvl4 FL
[06:40] <ShadowMasterCM> lol, yeah
[06:41] <ShadowMasterCM> ok, can you tie together any OTK types and logan / SoN / Magnus
[06:41] <ShadowMasterCM> and what are the chances that the andik login/ pw was mentioned in a channel that Magnus may have been in during DP sales etc
[06:41] <ShadowMasterCM> in german or not
[06:42] <ShadowMasterCM> for all we know Magnus speaks german
[06:43] <ShadowMasterCM> i know the 3 b from Wolf was sent to HG and 1st marik for sure
[06:44] <ShadowMasterCM> trying to find a tie between players with access to those emps
[06:44] <ShadowMasterCM> Matt, is Magnus in legion?
[06:44] <mattbuck> no
[06:44] <ShadowMasterCM> LH of HL thinks that Logan was a legion spy
[06:45] <ShadowMasterCM> apparently logan was asking to join HL tonight
[06:46] <ShadowMasterCM> and then I know that magnus was also looking for other options for his emp in our alliance, talked to Murray who just bought Silantra
[06:46] <ShadowMasterCM> wow
[06:46] <ShadowMasterCM> wait
[06:46] <ShadowMasterCM> would silantra have had access to your emp AFK
[06:46] <ShadowMasterCM> hmmm
[06:47] <ShadowMasterCM> anyhow, HL was going to let him in so they could attack him as a spy sort of crap
[06:49] <mattbuck> shadow, pm malachi tell him i'll be back in 5
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[06:56] <AFK> silantra not
[06:56] <AFK> only panchos pilot login
[06:57] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite mattbuck
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[06:58] <mattbuck> .users
[06:58] <ShadowMasterCM> k, i was just sort of rambling out loud and all of a sudden there was an old SoL in the mix
[06:59] <mattbuck> last thing i got from you was [08/04 - 11:42] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> anyhow, HL was going to let him in so they could attack him as a spy sort of crap
[06:59] <AFK> [12:45] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> anyhow, HL was going to let him in so they could attack him as a spy sort of crap
[06:59] <AFK> [12:47] <mattbuck> shadow, pm malachi tell him i'll be back in 5
[06:59] <AFK> [12:54] <AFK> silantra not
[06:59] <AFK> [12:54] <AFK> only panchos pilot login
[06:59] <AFK> [12:55] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> .invite mattbuck
[06:59] <ShadowMasterCM> [06:56] <AFK> silantra not
[06:59] <ShadowMasterCM> [06:56] <AFK> only panchos pilot login
[06:59] <ShadowMasterCM> [06:57] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite mattbuck
[07:00] <ShadowMasterCM> this really bothers me
[07:01] <ShadowMasterCM> running out of options for Magnus to not be implicated in this mess
[07:01] <ShadowMasterCM> the pancho convo may contain something
[07:01] <ShadowMasterCM> would like to see more of that
[07:01] <mattbuck> seems so
[07:01] <AFK> pancho didnt paste more
[07:01] <AFK> will try to get full convo
[07:02] <ShadowMasterCM> i asked him to email it to me
[07:02] <ShadowMasterCM> let him know we are looking into things
[07:05] <mattbuck> yeah
[07:08] <AFK> [13:00] <AFK> kannste mir mal den vollen pm text den du vorher mit magnus hattest pasten?
[07:08] <AFK> [13:00] <AFK> mb shadow und ich sind grad dabei dem fall weiter nachzugehen
[07:08] <AFK> kinda what you wnated
[07:09] <mattbuck> i'll take your word for that :p
[07:09] <AFK> please pm me the full text you had with magnus
[07:09] <ShadowMasterCM> no idea what you just said
[07:09] <ShadowMasterCM> lol
[07:10] <ShadowMasterCM> pm text, magnus, mb, shadow
[07:10] <AFK> mb shadow and myself are investigateing the incident right now
[07:10] <ShadowMasterCM> ok so i know a few words :P
[07:10] <AFK> tho that is not a 100% tanslation
[07:10] <AFK> ehhe
[07:10] <ShadowMasterCM> close enuff

[07:28] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:33] <Magnus> I have a little level 1 that I was have a bunch of really good vehicles that I want to get over into Nora
[07:28] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:34] <Magnus> I was wondering if I pay for the fee to get in to RoR if you could accept it for just like 30 minutes?
[07:28] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:34] <ShadowMasterCM> 30 minutes?
[07:28] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:34] <Magnus> I mean it has a bunch of vehicles thats why it would be worth it for the 75% discount instead of the TA discount of 50%
[07:29] <ShadowMasterCM> General Motors unfactioned L4
[07:29] <ShadowMasterCM> Lansing unfactioned L2
[07:31] <ShadowMasterCM> Fossil Rim Faction [KK{HoC}] Kommando Korps{HoC} L2
[07:31] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus is in HoC as well
[07:31] <ShadowMasterCM> he recently rejoined them
[07:31] <ShadowMasterCM> 10 bucks that is his emp there
[07:33] <ShadowMasterCM> what are the odds that he is just playing some spy / anti-hoc games?? The fact that his irc chat crosses with 'logan' and the same 2 emps are used plus one sale to this HoC emp
[07:33] <ShadowMasterCM> if that emps his...I cant see anyway he is not at least involved in this
[07:34] <mattbuck> tell him to level up to 2 and i'll come a knocking
[07:34] <mattbuck> a fucking bashing down his chamber door and slaughtering anything inside
[07:34] <mattbuck> i hate login abusers
[07:35] <ShadowMasterCM> well i think he has already leveled up
[07:35] <ShadowMasterCM> the emps that took the goods are above
[07:35] <ShadowMasterCM> odd he has this 'lil emp with batts of good stuff'
[07:35] <mattbuck> FRF is in kato's faction
[07:35] <mattbuck> yeah, i agree
[07:35] <mattbuck> the guy's an idiot
[07:37] <mattbuck> i'm pretty much willing to close the book on this one if i'm honest
[07:37] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:42] <Magnus> well somebody attacked me this morning
[07:38] <ShadowMasterCM> Lansing at war...with Neveron Hillbillys
[07:38] <mattbuck> hoppy
[07:40] <ShadowMasterCM> 7/1/3275 10:40:00 AM -- Neveron Hillbillys of EFS attacks 1135, -255 of Lansing of 3Legion ATTACKER WINS
[07:40] <ShadowMasterCM> now its unfactioned
[07:40] <mattbuck> lansing was 3legion? hmm
[07:40] <mattbuck> that's news to me
[07:41] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:44] <Magnus> nope
[07:41] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:44] <Magnus> it just has a bunch of good units
[07:41] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:44] <Magnus> like a couple of battallions of MAN's, ONT's
[07:41] <ShadowMasterCM> [00:45] <Magnus> and I would like them in Nora:)
[07:42] <ShadowMasterCM> [02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles ONT-00 $15,555,556 4 $56,000,002 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:30:46 PM
[07:42] <ShadowMasterCM> [02:24] <AFK> [08:07] <AFK> Vehicles ONT-LRM $13,300,000 47 $562,590,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:28:53 PM
[07:42] <mattbuck> ghenya was 3legion fl
[07:43] <ShadowMasterCM> [02:25] <AFK> [08:08] <AFK> Vehicles SAR-V $5,250,000 66 $311,850,000 Lansing 4/7/2008 5:41:31 PM [07:43] <ShadowMasterCM> not mantis, but its a batt+
[07:43] <ShadowMasterCM> all to this emp that got hit this morning
[07:43] <AFK> emails for the pancho logs?
[07:43] <ShadowMasterCM> and is a low level
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> Pancho said he sent you the logs tho
[07:44] <AFK> yeah
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> [07:01] <ShadowMasterCM> can you give me a copy of your chat with Magnus
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> [07:01] <ShadowMasterCM> email it to ShadowMasterCM@Yahoo.com
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> [07:39] <Pancho_the_Pirate> I sent baggy a copy
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> [07:41] <ShadowMasterCM> k ty
[07:44] <AFK> thats why i am asking for YOUR email
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> ah
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> ok
[07:44] <AFK> ;)
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> lol
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> ^^^
[07:44] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 12:38] <Ghenya> Asturia
[07:44] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 12:38] <Ghenya> it was Asturia. belongs to SoN
[07:44] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 12:39] <Ghenya> my login was evicted from the empire
[07:44] <ShadowMasterCM> well looking back at my PMs with magnus today
[07:45] <mattbuck> matt_v_jellicle@hotmail.com
[07:45] <ShadowMasterCM> he admits to having a low level emp with bad ass tanks
[07:45] <ShadowMasterCM> wanted to dump the cash from sales, didnt care to cap out, just wanted the tanks
[07:45] <ShadowMasterCM> i suggested to him to merge it instead
[07:45] <ShadowMasterCM> then "Logan" came looking for hoppy
[07:45] <ShadowMasterCM> hoppy was who attacked that emp
[07:46] <ShadowMasterCM> Logan / lansing
[07:46] <mattbuck> afk for lunch
[07:46] <AFK> mails out
[07:46] <ShadowMasterCM> k ty AFK
[07:47] <ShadowMasterCM> matt, whats the rest of that chat with ghenya?
[07:47] <AFK> prolly emp changed name
[07:50] <ShadowMasterCM> odd again that SoN comes up
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[07:52] <ShadowMasterCM> to many cross over pieces of odd info here for me to not think he is primary in this
[07:52] <AFK> seems pancho sold SoN's empires to magnus
[07:52] <AFK> one of that was on sons bp login
[07:52] <ShadowMasterCM> i would need a REALLY REALLY great explanation to not vote guilty here
[07:52] <ShadowMasterCM> and im an optimist
[07:53] <ShadowMasterCM> you send that to me and matt?
[07:53] <AFK> the chat log yes
[07:56] <ShadowMasterCM> ok, havent gotten it yet
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> 7/1/3275 10:40:00 AM -- Neveron Hillbillys of EFS attacks 1135, -255 of Lansing of 3Legion ATTACKER WINS
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> 6/30/3275 3:00:00 PM -- Neveron Hillbillys of EFS attacks 1132, -290 of Asturia of 3Legion ATTACKER WINS
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> 6/30/3275 3:00:00 PM -- Neveron Hillbillys declares war on Asturia
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> yes it was an empire name change
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> SoN used to own that 3legion emp as well
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> Asturia is now Lansing
[08:06] <ShadowMasterCM> do we know who SoN is for sure?
[08:07] <ShadowMasterCM> did we find a mask for SoN? or an IP?
[08:08] <ShadowMasterCM> still nothing on that email, where did you send it? did i give you a wrong addy?
[08:10] <ShadowMasterCM> ok so now that magus is known to be a buyer, do we go for the story that he didnt know any better, was told he could 'help himself' to certain things, thought that emp was abandoned...etc etc...or do we just have his ass crushed in game or wait for WWS to get back and deal with this from the admin point of view
[08:12] <ShadowMasterCM> he bought the emps from pancho, renamed them , used the secondary login to transfer stuff out into a low level, then wants to resell it at huge loss to his main emp...
[08:14] <AFK> SoN we know for sure to be another person
[08:15] <AFK> wws wont interfere
[08:15] <AFK> as he will be telling the rights were given, the login legally sold
[08:19] <ShadowMasterCM> got the chat logs...ty
[08:19] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah well we just found out the login was sold to magnus
[08:22] <ShadowMasterCM> ok i got the first few sentances read
[08:22] <ShadowMasterCM> already im ringing the bullshit alarm
[08:22] <ShadowMasterCM> logan has same ip as magnus
[08:22] <ShadowMasterCM> so its not some noob
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> 5 AM pancho talked to Magnus
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:43] <Magnus> one thing i worry about is if I give somebody access to my empire like a secondary login
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[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:44] <Magnus> and they abuse it it will be my fault right?
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:44] <Magnus> cause it is my fault for letting them have the login?
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:44] <ShadowMasterCM> well if you ever give out your primary login, there will be no legal way to get it back, and no help from admins
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:44] <ShadowMasterCM> so yeah
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:44] <ShadowMasterCM> hence the secondary logins
[08:32] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:45] <ShadowMasterCM> even those can be abused
[08:33] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:45] <Magnus> no i am talking about giving somebody full secondary login
[08:33] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:45] <ShadowMasterCM> but its more controlable
[08:33] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:45] <Magnus> right thats what I am talking about
[08:33] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:45] <Magnus> they can like sell my mines and sell my vehicles for cheap and shit
[08:34] <mattbuck> ?
[08:34] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:47] <Magnus> and they can't get in trouble for that?
[08:34] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:48] <ShadowMasterCM> nope
[08:34] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:48] <ShadowMasterCM> unless its proven that they hacked into Neveron servers to gain access, then its federal charges if Nev persues it
[08:34] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:49] <ShadowMasterCM> if you gave them the login, oh well
[08:34] <ShadowMasterCM> [19:49] <ShadowMasterCM> live and learn
[08:35] <ShadowMasterCM> damn it all....when i was talking to him i was refering to his emps
[08:35] <AFK> [14:30] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> 5 AM pancho talked to Magnus
[08:35] <AFK> [14:30] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> [19:43] <Magnus> one thing i worry about is if I give somebody access to my empire like a secondary login
[08:35] <AFK> [14:30] * mattbuck (mattbuck@mattbuck.Users.AfterNET.Org) has joined #Neveron_Holiday_Raffle
[08:35] <ShadowMasterCM> HIM giving out logins to his emps
[08:35] <ShadowMasterCM> this is all from PMs i had with magnus last night
[08:35] <ShadowMasterCM> he basically asked me about abusing logins
[08:35] <AFK> so he found out he had access to TTS
[08:36] <AFK> then tried to tlak to someone about how bad it is
[08:36] <ShadowMasterCM> yup
[08:36] <mattbuck> and that's all the chat was shadow
[08:36] <ShadowMasterCM> suckered me in good
[08:36] <mattbuck> so
[08:36] <mattbuck> we all agreed that it's magnus abusing logins?
[08:36] <AFK> in terms of player abuse yes
[08:36] <AFK> in terms of WWS abuse prolly no
[08:36] <ShadowMasterCM> what faction does kato run?
[08:37] <AFK> kk
[08:37] <mattbuck> kk{hoc}
[08:37] <ShadowMasterCM> lol
[08:37] <AFK> kato is chaos2
[08:37] <mattbuck> and can't view that email you sent right now. msn seems to be buggered
[08:37] <ShadowMasterCM> that confirms my question about magnus and that one hoc emp that got stuff
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> i just got this message from my fl in HoC
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <ShadowMasterCM> k
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> <Kato_z^3> you there?
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> <Magnus> yep
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> <Magnus> why?
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> <Kato_z^3> It was mentioned to me that XXXXXXX may have access to your empire(s).
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> <Kato_z^3> Can you confirm if he does or does not?
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> [20:18] <Magnus> of course he doesn't
[08:38] <ShadowMasterCM> so all taken goods are now in magnus empires
[08:38] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 13:33] -X3- Peon magnus 21w, 5d Normal Never
[08:38] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 13:33] -X3- Peon magnus66 1d, 14h Normal Never
[08:39] <ShadowMasterCM> same guy
[08:39] <mattbuck> also uses these authserv logins
[08:39] <ShadowMasterCM> i helped him set up the mirc / afternet stuff
[08:39] <mattbuck> [08/04 - 13:27] * Magnus`afk (darel1966@darel.Users.AfterNET.Org) Quit (Ping timeout)
[08:39] <mattbuck> how many fucking logins does he have
[08:40] <ShadowMasterCM> well the magnus66 is actually his login for nev
[08:40] <ShadowMasterCM> he used that with his first try to reg with afternet
[08:40] <mattbuck> yeah, i mean authserv ones
[08:40] <ShadowMasterCM> i think he got screweed up on that if i rem right
[08:40] <ShadowMasterCM> finally got it all set with the darrel login
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> he got mixed up on the pw / cookie thing
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> so i think he just started new ones
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> i know magnus and magnus66 are him
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> i had to add him to my channels
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> as well i know his secondary logins and the 66 stands for 1966, his birth year
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> etc etc
[08:41] <ShadowMasterCM> all ties this together
[08:42] <ShadowMasterCM> then to find out that pancho sold him asturia, which is now lansing, and Logan logged into chat looking for Hoppy [who had attacked lansing] using that other mask that you cross referanced matt
[08:43] <ShadowMasterCM> i cant see any way he is not guilty of ripping off AFKs emp
[08:43] <ShadowMasterCM> stupidity doesnt fly after asking me all those questions last night
[08:43] <ShadowMasterCM> then at 5AM he plays stupid with pancho
[08:44] <ShadowMasterCM> not to mention his entire personality talking to pancho is much more confidant and forward
[08:44] <ShadowMasterCM> talking to me he plays up the noob
[08:44] <ShadowMasterCM> to dif people
[08:44] <mattbuck> yeah
[08:44] <ShadowMasterCM> guilty guilty guilty
[08:44] <mattbuck> may I do the honours in #neveron?
[08:45] <ShadowMasterCM> Hanni wants first crack at Nora, second only to AFK of course
[08:45] <mattbuck> ok
[08:45] <ShadowMasterCM> so we are in agreement
[08:45] <mattbuck> i'll get him booted from hoc
[08:45] <ShadowMasterCM> no excuses will do at this point
[08:52] <ShadowMasterCM> whats the command to remove him from a user list
[08:52] <ShadowMasterCM> .deleteuser name
[08:52] <mattbuck> .deluser
[08:52] <ShadowMasterCM> k
[08:52] <ShadowMasterCM> ty
[08:59] <mattbuck> empire list?
[09:02] <ShadowMasterCM> [08:59] <Ghenya> i sold Blight Land, Harvester and Plugin to Magnus
[09:02] <ShadowMasterCM> the known abuser emps
[09:02] <ShadowMasterCM> and Nora in my alliance
[09:02] <ShadowMasterCM> Nora is already in process to be picked apart
[09:03] <ShadowMasterCM> nora66 is up for grabs after i get it booted
[09:03] <ShadowMasterCM> thats also his
[09:04] <AFK> blight land is also on target list by kd
[09:04] <AFK> who lost mech salvage from TTS stores
[09:05] <ShadowMasterCM> plugin is now General Motors
[09:05] <ShadowMasterCM> Lansing was asturia for legion
[09:06] <ShadowMasterCM> also that 3rd transfer that hoc emp
[09:06] <ShadowMasterCM> blight was sold to magnus by ghneya
[09:06] <ShadowMasterCM> so its def on the kill list
[09:08] <ShadowMasterCM> [09:02] <Ghenya> magnus1969 another possible login to be removed
[09:20] <mattbuck> http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php?Cat=4&Number=150128&page=0&vc=#Post150128
[09:22] <ShadowMasterCM> 1987th Nora Warriors <<< Matt, that magnus as well?
[09:22] <ShadowMasterCM> and what about taylorville?
[09:22] <ShadowMasterCM> 1987 is in DD
[09:22] <mattbuck> no idea. edit it if you want
[09:26] <ShadowMasterCM> taylor = blight i guess
[09:26] <ShadowMasterCM> so he bought stuff from pancho and genhya
[09:26] <ShadowMasterCM> those emps are all targeted now
[09:26] <ShadowMasterCM> as well as his two Nora emps in my alliance
[09:27] <ShadowMasterCM> Rome will take out Nora
[09:27] <ShadowMasterCM> Nora66 will get booted to the wolves
[09:27] <mattbuck> like i said, edit my post and shit
[09:27] <ShadowMasterCM> k

[11:04] <mattbuck> shadow, could you post a log of this convo and stuff to forums sometime?
[11:10] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah

[13:21] <ShadowMasterCM> matt you around
[13:21] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus just PMd me
[13:21] <ShadowMasterCM> want to invite him here
[13:21] <ShadowMasterCM> AFK, im gonna boot you for now
[13:21] <ShadowMasterCM> want this to be a PA kinda meeting
[13:22] * AFK was kicked by ShadowMasterCM_afk (AFK)
[13:22] <mattbuck> sure, why not
[13:23] <ShadowMasterCM> .invite magnus`afk
[13:23] * Joins: Magnus`afk (darel1966@darel.Users.AfterNET.Org)
[13:23] * mattbuck changes topic to 'Don't hate us - here, have an ice cream - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Icecreamlicker.jpg'
[13:23] <ShadowMasterCM> [13:20] <Magnus`afk> hello Shadow
[13:23] <ShadowMasterCM> [13:21] <Magnus`afk> i saw you and hanni decided to turn your back on me
[13:24] <ShadowMasterCM> how is it that you think we turned our back on you?
[13:24] <Magnus`afk> ah just because you attacked my empires
[13:24] <Magnus`afk> oh well though
[13:25] <Magnus`afk> life goes on
[13:25] <mattbuck> well
[13:25] <Magnus`afk> I am going to be giving everything away and deleting my empires
[13:25] <Magnus`afk> and quitting neveron i guess
[13:25] <mattbuck> considering you stole from airbag
[13:25] <mattbuck> that's not a great loss
[13:26] <Magnus`afk> hopefully i can delete everything before everybody that is attacking me gets everything
[13:26] <ShadowMasterCM> magnus, why did you take that stuff from the SoL emp?
[13:26] <Magnus`afk> well i didn't
[13:26] <Magnus`afk> but nobody will believe me
[13:26] <mattbuck> well
[13:26] <Magnus`afk> so i don't even care anymore
[13:27] <mattbuck> considering "Logan" used your hostmask
[13:27] <ShadowMasterCM> magnus, your 'noob' friend logan
[13:27] <ShadowMasterCM> he is using your computer
[13:27] <mattbuck> to the exact ip
[13:27] <mattbuck> and you claim not to know him
[13:27] <mattbuck> and you suddenly have all these lvl2s with lots of assault vehicles
[13:28] <mattbuck> and you pump shadow for info on what the penalties for login abuse are..
[13:28] <ShadowMasterCM> and we had the IRC folks at afternet verify that your current IP was the same as him, even tho you were using afternet to do the login on connect feature
[13:29] <ShadowMasterCM> and the very same empires that you bought from Pancho, are the very same empires that got goods from the SoL emp
[13:29] <ShadowMasterCM> including your HoC empire
[13:29] <ShadowMasterCM> you didnt give that one away
[13:29] <ShadowMasterCM> so the i gave it to Logan crap doesnt float to well here
[13:30] <ShadowMasterCM> even if logan was your retarded lil brother who did this to piss you off
[13:30] <ShadowMasterCM> I also read the chat logs from your talk with Pancho
[13:30] <ShadowMasterCM> you were a totally different personality from the Magnus I know
[13:31] <ShadowMasterCM> the guy always asking for help, acting the player in need of help
[13:31] <ShadowMasterCM> you were much more confidant and almost cocky with pancho
[13:31] <ShadowMasterCM> i mean the list of links back to you goes on
[13:32] <ShadowMasterCM> so all i want to know is why? Why did you decide to grab what you could from that emp?
[13:33] <Magnus`afk> well all i have to say is it was fun playing with you guys, and i guess goodbye. No more neveron for me :(
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> you obviously thought you could get away with it using the Nev chat link vs the mIrc login, both of which I showed you how to use and get set up right
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> Magnus
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> you owe me a lot more than that
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> of all the people in this game
[13:33] <Magnus`afk> what
[13:33] <Magnus`afk> ?
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> i have spent HOURS helping you
[13:33] <Magnus`afk> i owe you what?
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> and all i get is a 'oh well'
[13:33] <ShadowMasterCM> the respect Magnus
[13:33] <Magnus`afk> ok well then how about this
[13:34] <ShadowMasterCM> ...
[13:34] <Magnus`afk> I will give you a bunch of goodies from Nora for helping me out through out the past few months
[13:34] <ShadowMasterCM> lol
[13:34] <Magnus`afk> a token of my appreciation :)
[13:35] <ShadowMasterCM> what id like to see you do is return what mech salv you have, either directly to AFK, or to me and I will get them to him
[13:35] <ShadowMasterCM> the units are likely all dead or gone in the various attacks
[13:35] <ShadowMasterCM> and what about the DP you bought with his cash
[13:37] <Magnus`afk> well like i said it was a pleasure playing with you Shadow
[13:37] <ShadowMasterCM> so no reason why?
[13:38] <Magnus`afk> how long does it take for an empire to delete?
[13:38] <Magnus`afk> 3 days?
[13:38] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[13:38] <Magnus`afk> ok
[13:38] <Magnus`afk> i guess thats what i choose to do
[13:38] <Magnus`afk> damn like 9 months down the drain
[13:38] <ShadowMasterCM> you wasted no time booting the few logins that were in your emps i see
[13:39] <Magnus`afk> what empire are you talking about?
[13:39] <ShadowMasterCM> still no reason...why would you risk 9 months of hard work for a few billion you could rip off?
[13:39] <ShadowMasterCM> well I see Nora got removed from anyone who thought they had a login for example
[13:39] <Magnus`afk> oh
[13:40] <Magnus`afk> well yeah cause i am going to be attacked from every empire on neveron
[13:40] <ShadowMasterCM> and you think thats unfair , right?
[13:40] <Magnus`afk> well i am not saying anything
[13:41] <ShadowMasterCM> prove us wrong
[13:41] <Magnus`afk> now i am just trying to decide who i want to give shit to before i leave
[13:41] <Magnus`afk> i still have a lot of dp from that dp pool
[13:41] <ShadowMasterCM> if we are wrong i guarantee you Neveron player base will get you a bigger and better set of empires in no time
[13:42] <Magnus`afk> lol everybody hates me and thats the way it will always be shadow
[13:42] <ShadowMasterCM> well id like to suggest you start with giving DP to AFKs empire 'The Temperal Sands [SoL]'
[13:42] <Magnus`afk> so thats why i am going to quit and not say nothing
[13:42] <ShadowMasterCM> his huge loss totals are well in the Billions
[13:43] <ShadowMasterCM> nearly 2 B for DP alone
[13:43] <ShadowMasterCM> plus all the salv mechs, 12 i think he lost
[13:43] <ShadowMasterCM> plus all those 'great tanks' that ended up in those low level emps
[13:44] <ShadowMasterCM> well if you try to correct things, rather than just be spitful and delete everything, there is a chance that you could redeem yourself to a certain degree
[13:45] <ShadowMasterCM> not asking you to make excuses, just admit you did it, if there is a reason that made you do it, share that, and then try to repair the damage as well as can be done
[13:45] <ShadowMasterCM> at the very least leave with some honor
[13:46] <Magnus`afk> ok you want me to leave with honor?
[13:47] <ShadowMasterCM> well complete honor is prolly not possible
[13:47] <ShadowMasterCM> but an attempt to right your wrong could give you some honor
[13:47] <Magnus`afk> nope i would say not
[13:47] <Magnus`afk> lol i doubt it
[13:47] <ShadowMasterCM> well thats what i would suggest
[13:48] <ShadowMasterCM> there will always be the black and white types that will never get over it
[13:48] <mattbuck> he's right magnus
[13:48] <ShadowMasterCM> but most would look at all your actions and let it go at that you made a huge mistake, but you tried to fix it after
[13:48] <Magnus`afk> lol thats why this is my last day to ever play neveron
[13:48] <mattbuck> most of the playerbase accept that people change
[13:48] <ShadowMasterCM> hell look at jake and hoppy
[13:48] <Magnus`afk> well i will tell you what
[13:48] <mattbuck> if you have a reason why you did it, and apologise, people may think better of you
[13:49] <ShadowMasterCM> jake got his best friends L11 nuked to shit
[13:49] <ShadowMasterCM> cause he couldnt play in the rules
[13:49] <ShadowMasterCM> and yet he still plays Nev
[13:49] <Magnus`afk> i'm sure this is all being recorded and posted in nev chat isn't it?
[13:49] <mattbuck> recorded yes
[13:49] <mattbuck> posted no
[13:50] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah i have logs going on everything i do in irc
[13:50] <ShadowMasterCM> not gonna bs you there
[13:50] <mattbuck> ditto
[13:50] <ShadowMasterCM> thats where i spent the entire night searching for some shred of proof that you didnt do this
[13:50] <Magnus`afk> well either way whether i wanted to play or not i am sure WWS will give me the boot anyways
[13:50] <mattbuck> no
[13:50] <mattbuck> since wws really doesn't care
[13:50] <ShadowMasterCM> instead i just kept finding more proof that convinced us you did do it
[13:51] <mattbuck> i laid out the evidence against you on the forums
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> actually, no, WWS wont boot you
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> he will nuke your emps
[13:51] <mattbuck> i encourage you to post your side of it if you believe you were wrongly accused
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> he will fine you
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> but he wont ban you
[13:51] <mattbuck> nah shadow, wws just won't care
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> nor delete you
[13:51] <mattbuck> but deletion is not a penalty admins apply
[13:51] <mattbuck> since it's a one-way street
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> IF he decides that what you have done is punishable by Nev rules
[13:51] <mattbuck> fines can be reversed
[13:51] <mattbuck> deletion can't
[13:51] <ShadowMasterCM> in this case, i dont think it is
[13:52] <ShadowMasterCM> as you were given the login, likely in a sale, or otherwise
[13:52] <ShadowMasterCM> point is they got sloppy with thier logins
[13:52] <ShadowMasterCM> and you used that to your advantage
[13:54] <ShadowMasterCM> so did you just let greed get the best of you when you saw you had access? Did you think the emp was abandoned? did you think some player who screwed you owned that emp? why? Why? WHY?
[13:54] <ShadowMasterCM> i just dont get it
[13:55] <ShadowMasterCM> what really burns me personally, is how i feel like you played me for a fool
[13:55] <ShadowMasterCM> acting like you needed all this help from me and you then you turn out to be a scammer
[13:56] <ShadowMasterCM> Dude I have spent more time talking to YOU in the last 6 months than any other player in this game
[13:56] <ShadowMasterCM> and all i can get from you for my efforts is wise cracks and sarcasim
[13:57] <ShadowMasterCM> you still there?
[13:58] <Magnus`afk> no you have helped me more than any player in this game
[13:58] <Magnus`afk> you are a very good person Shadow
[13:58] <ShadowMasterCM> so do me the favor and make this right
[13:58] <Magnus`afk> and i want you to know that I am thankful for the help you have given me
[13:58] <Magnus`afk> ok i will
[13:58] <Magnus`afk> what do you want me to do
[13:58] <ShadowMasterCM> get the salv mechs that are still left
[13:58] <ShadowMasterCM> sell them to me and i will get them to AFK
[13:59] <ShadowMasterCM> then send me the 15 DP that was bought with his cash last night
[13:59] <ShadowMasterCM> then you decide what amount of compensation he deserves for his tank losses
[13:59] <ShadowMasterCM> and what ever other stuff i didnt bother to look into
[14:01] <Magnus`afk> transfer to Hell's?
[14:01] <ShadowMasterCM> afk will have to recover from his losses over time, some of the tanks were destroyed in land war
[14:01] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[14:02] <ShadowMasterCM> then ill get it to afk
[14:02] <ShadowMasterCM> matts witness
[14:02] <ShadowMasterCM> and then I will personally make sure that everyone who hears this story will also know that you tried to right your wrong
[14:03] <Magnus`afk> ok
[14:05] <Magnus`afk> 15 dp sent to you
[14:06] <ShadowMasterCM> kk
[14:06] <ShadowMasterCM> got it
[14:06] <Magnus`afk> 23 dp sent to The Temporal Sands?
[14:06] <ShadowMasterCM> any idea where the salv mechs are?
[14:06] <Magnus`afk> sound good?
[14:06] <ShadowMasterCM> that to comp him for his tanks and such...the 23 DP?
[14:07] <Magnus`afk> yep
[14:07] <ShadowMasterCM> its def better than deleting it all, so yeah, it sounds good
[14:07] <ShadowMasterCM> any idea on the salv mechs?
[14:08] <Magnus`afk> yep who gets them?
[14:09] <Magnus`afk> or who wants them?
[14:09] <ShadowMasterCM> besides the salv mechs, is there anything else that I havent heard about yet, that will have a major impact on any other emps? anything else we need to talk about now?
[14:09] <ShadowMasterCM> well send them to Hells, put em up on market like you did to buy em
[14:09] <ShadowMasterCM> ill grab em with hells
[14:09] <ShadowMasterCM> then ill get with AFK to return them to him
[14:10] <Magnus`afk> ok tell me when you are ready
[14:11] <ShadowMasterCM> ok im swapping there now
[14:11] <ShadowMasterCM> how many mechs are we moving?
[14:11] <Magnus`afk> i guess i went out being nice before i quit neveron right?
[14:11] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah, this is gonna make a huge impression with most people
[14:11] <ShadowMasterCM> you screwed up, but you tried to fix what you could...
[14:11] <Magnus`afk> yep
[14:11] <ShadowMasterCM> thats gonna count with people
[14:12] <ShadowMasterCM> how many mechs you listing
[14:12] <ShadowMasterCM> so i can keep up
[14:12] <Magnus`afk> well all i have to say is it has been a pleasure playing with you Shadow
[14:12] <Magnus`afk> and I am sorry for all of the trouble i have caused you
[14:12] <Magnus`afk> 10 is all there is
[14:13] <ShadowMasterCM> well you didnt cause me to much trouble, but you sure made an ugly bed for yourself to lay in
[14:13] <ShadowMasterCM> ok 10 mechs, lets move them
[14:14] <Magnus`afk> all up
[14:14] <ShadowMasterCM> got em
[14:14] <ShadowMasterCM> had to swap to loser, hells locked up on me! gah
[14:15] <ShadowMasterCM> now if i could ask one more favor
[14:15] <ShadowMasterCM> go to your market history page
[14:15] <Magnus`afk> ok
[14:15] <ShadowMasterCM> copy paste me that last 10 items [the salv mech] so i can get the unit ids
[14:15] <ShadowMasterCM> I have salv mechs of my own in loser
[14:15] <ShadowMasterCM> need to sort AFKs back out
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 30111245
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 30128858
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 30128860
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 30128861
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 31138415
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 33303962
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 35077412
[14:16] <Magnus`afk> 36383051
[14:17] <Magnus`afk> 37287829
[14:17] <Magnus`afk> 37344905
[14:17] <ShadowMasterCM> excellent, and ty for that...huge help for me
[14:17] <Magnus`afk> np
[14:18] <ShadowMasterCM> i gotta say i never expected this, and im sad to see it happen at all
[14:18] <Magnus`afk> me to
[14:18] <Magnus`afk> i feel like killing myself lol
[14:19] <ShadowMasterCM> hopefully you learned something from this
[14:19] <ShadowMasterCM> dont be tempted by the same thing in the future
[14:19] <ShadowMasterCM> not worth killing yourself
[14:19] <ShadowMasterCM> but def the harder way to learn a lesson
[14:19] <Magnus`afk> i'm afraid there is no future for me in nev
[14:19] <Magnus`afk> i have fucked that up
[14:19] <ShadowMasterCM> well, maybe not...pop back in one day and tinker with a new empire
[14:20] <Magnus`afk> but i tried to fix what i could before i left i guess
[14:20] <ShadowMasterCM> might get lucky and find new people to play with
[14:20] <ShadowMasterCM> yes you did
[14:20] <ShadowMasterCM> and that gonna count with some people
[14:20] <Magnus`afk> i'm sure you and hanni will have fun trying to kill nora at least i guess :)
[14:20] <ShadowMasterCM> and so those might just be the people that you run into if you decide to try again a few years from now
[14:21] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah well its not how i want to earn my skill checks
[14:21] <Magnus`afk> lol
[14:21] <Magnus`afk> do you think i should just delete Nora?
[14:21] <ShadowMasterCM> there will be a lot about your emps that will end up lost
[14:22] <ShadowMasterCM> no...but when you are finally done BPn in the battles for Nev, add my login back to it...im sure we can put it to good use for training some noobs or something in the alliance
[14:23] <Magnus`afk> ok well i am goin afk for a little bit
[14:23] <ShadowMasterCM> k
[14:23] <Magnus`afk> see you guys later
[14:23] <ShadowMasterCM> later

[14:53] <Magnus`afk> ok i'm back
[14:54] <Magnus`afk> so is there anything else that you need?
[14:56] <ShadowMasterCM> well
[14:56] <ShadowMasterCM> you fixed what you could for afk
[14:56] <ShadowMasterCM> i have not spoken with him yet
[14:56] <ShadowMasterCM> so not sure if he would want anything else
[14:57] <ShadowMasterCM> Nora was your pride and joy, the rest were all toys, so id hate to see that emp go totally to waste
[14:58] <ShadowMasterCM> so think about what you might do with that
[14:58] <ShadowMasterCM> i think we all needed a break to kind of let it all sink in
[14:59] <ShadowMasterCM> anything else on your mind?
[15:00] <Magnus`afk> what do you mean?
[15:01] <ShadowMasterCM> dont mean anything
[15:01] <ShadowMasterCM> just wondered if you had anything else you wanted to say / add to the talk
[15:02] <Magnus`afk> well lol there is nothing really on my mind accept that i made a really big mistake and i guess i am obviously paying for it right now
[15:04] <ShadowMasterCM> yeah
[15:08] <ShadowMasterCM> ok im gonna go clean up a bit, ill be back in a bit
[15:54] * Quits: mattbuck (mattbuck@mattbuck.Users.AfterNET.Org) (Quit)

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