Admin Logs - Forced Factionwar

Randy tells a player "fuck off, I don't give a shit" over the subject of forced factionwar.

 

This chat was logged by Archangel, and it dates from 3rd November 2005

 

<ArchAngel> as much as id normally say that players bitching about a change is typical
<ArchAngel> I think you screwed the pooch with this forced Fdow change
<ArchAngel> If you want people to LW
<ArchAngel> make it fun
<ArchAngel> not make if forced
<ArchAngel> LW right now is routine followed by more routine..its boring and repetitive
<ArchAngel> forcing people to do it doesnt solve the issue
<ArchAngel> it aggrivates it
<ArchAngel> and as a result..your losing a good deal of the community that has stayed through alot of your non-sensical changes..
<ArchAngel> but this is sorta the straw that broke the camels back
<Randy> do you find it odd that both player accounts, daily logins, and donations, were higher last month than since may, breaking a downward trend convincingly?
<Randy> hoe do you reconcile that
<Randy> *how
<Randy> it sort of goes against what you're saying here
<ArchAngel> Do you see how many people are selling
<ArchAngel> Im thinking you goal was not to encourage Fdow
<Randy> then how do you explain the increased activity and donations?
<ArchAngel> but rather to alienate the player base from high lvl alliances further
<ArchAngel> because if your goal is to encourage LW
<ArchAngel> there are much better ways
<Randy> all i'm saying its the effect has been very clear, very pronounced, and VERY positive in every measurable way.
<ArchAngel> so major alliances (aka your main donators) refusing to donate
<ArchAngel> numerous longterm players selling
<Randy> Player Logins (past 24 hours): 4066

<Randy> numbers like that, apart from the past few weeks, we haven't seen in over a year
<ArchAngel> people seeing if u removed the forced FDow lol
<Randy> old players leaving and not donating is having ZERO effect on our bottom line
<Randy> as i said, october donations were way up
<ArchAngel> it just screws the community up
<Randy> you're out of touch with the player base here
<Randy> you're representing an old guard of disgruntled players
<Randy> while the vast majority are newer players who are more active and more eager than ever before
<ArchAngel> and yet im still here
<ArchAngel> but if your goal is to alienate the players who have supported the majority of your changes and been here the longest
<ArchAngel> GJ
<Randy> its not. my goal is 1) more players 2) more logins/day 3) more donations
<ArchAngel> if you want to get people to LW
<Randy> and all three are being met with flying colors
<ArchAngel> Make it better
<Randy> i have
<ArchAngel> in the short term randy
<Randy> the results are clear
<ArchAngel> you looking at a small piece of evidence and using it to justify your change
<ArchAngel> which is typical
<ArchAngel> normally id agree with u that the players bitching is normal
<ArchAngel> but this ..is a different degree of PO'ed
<ArchAngel> than the normal wow randy made another assbackwards change
<Randy> we'll see
<Randy> lets look at the login numbers dec 1st
<Randy> i have a sneaky suspicious they will be higher than today
<ArchAngel> lets see how many of your players are gone
<Randy> exactly what i'm saying
<ArchAngel> because we wanted to play neveron
<ArchAngel> not planetarion
<Randy> how much you wanna bet that dec logins are above nov logins, and dec donations are above nov donations?
<Randy> or nov vs oct?
<Randy> you can't refute the numbers AA
<Randy> this change has worked magic
<ArchAngel> how much u wanna bet u lose a ton of players
<ArchAngel> who have been around since the beginning
<Randy> its not about catering to old players AA
<Randy> its about growth
<ArchAngel> the old players are the ones who aid and assist growth randy
<ArchAngel> we try to get new players in
<ArchAngel> we help them learn
<Randy> hey man i'll ask again
<Randy> if things are going so badly
<Randy> how come players, logins, and donations are up so much?
<Randy> i think you WANT there to be a problem here
<Randy> but the reality is that this has invigorated the game
<ArchAngel> Randy your trying to use statistics to counter the obvious dissent from your decision by the player base
<Randy> i most certainly am.
<ArchAngel> The majority
<Randy> if i come in to work next week
<Randy> and see 2000 logins
<ArchAngel> would love to see positive changes to LW
<Randy> then i'll listen
<ArchAngel> but that requires POSITIVE
<ArchAngel> changes
<ArchAngel> so your telling me if half the empires in nev auto-delete
<ArchAngel> you'd remove this change lol
<Randy> when ALL THE EVIDENCE says that this change has helped in every way .... its hard for me to agree with the naysayers.
<ArchAngel> cause if that works better than alliances refusing to donate
<ArchAngel> and i mean Whole alliances
<ArchAngel> not just 1-2 people
<Randy> it would work much better, of course, but i know that wont happen
<Randy> i GARAUNTEE it
<ArchAngel> just make LW more interesting
<ArchAngel> not forced
<ArchAngel> and u might wanna remove that peaceful growth bit from the mainpage
<ArchAngel> since u nulified that
<ArchAngel> maybe put a big sign that says Sic Vis Pacum Parabellum
<Randy> when less than 10% of nev empires have fought a battle in the past month
<Randy> its safe to say war is a TINY part of the game
<Randy> like i said
<Randy> you guys REALLY want there to be a problem here
<Randy> but you, and i mean no offense here, dont have any data to back it up
<Randy> i have a vantage point of logs, statistics, and db numbers
<Randy> and I can make reasoned decisions based on that
<Randy> not on emotional outbreaks from a few leading factions
<ArchAngel> aka your core players
<ArchAngel> who have supported you for the most part..with the usual gripes at some changes
<ArchAngel> and its not that i want a problem
<ArchAngel> id love to see LW become fun again
<ArchAngel> but you utterly fail to acheive that by forcing people to do it
<ArchAngel> not to mention the possible mass exodus to other games which has been going for months now well keeping nev in the infitesimal hope that u do reverse the trend of making LW more boring..more repetitive
<ArchAngel> and generally a huge massive waste of time
<ArchAngel> because it takes soo long that u might as well just save the cash and buy the empire
<Randy> <...> ive donated for first time in like 6 months
<Randy> <...> cuzz i liked most the new changes
<Randy> thats a pm i got a minute before yours
<ArchAngel> good for them
<Randy> i mean what can i say? this is working.
<ArchAngel> question is if u hold a vote
<ArchAngel> how many players say changes good
<ArchAngel> vs bad
<ArchAngel> and would u stick by that decision
<Randy> i'll stick by the numbers
<ArchAngel> that would be a bigass number randy
<Randy> like i said growth in numbers and $ has really picked up after 5 months of decline
<ArchAngel> Put a vote up
<Randy> you just can't argue with that, man
<Randy> its a FACT
<Randy> say what you will
<Randy> and get everyone you know to quit
<ArchAngel> A. Would you like us to Keep random FDoW and continue to attempt to make LW more fun
<Randy> but nev is growing in every measurable way
<ArchAngel> B. Would you like to see random FDoWs removed and more work put into improving LW as it stands now
<Randy> the last thing in the WORLD i would want to even CONSIDER doing is to undo a change that has made nev grow
<ArchAngel> I dare u to do that
<ArchAngel> because we both know how it would turn out
<Randy> and i'm saying its 100% irrelevant
<Randy> why can't you hear what i'm saying dude
<Randy> NEV IS GROWING. IT IS WORKING
<ArchAngel> the players opinion of your game
<Randy> SOME PEOPLE DONT LIKE IT BUT ITS WORKING
<ArchAngel> Nev was growing before this change randy
<Randy> bullshit
<ArchAngel> you've made some decent changes recently
<Randy> we shrank every month since may
<Randy> in both players and $
<Randy> until now
<Randy> i'm sorry dude
<Randy> but i've given you the facts here a dozen times
<Randy> nev is growing
<Randy> and like it or not, fwar is working
<ArchAngel> fine fine your game
<ArchAngel> but honestly your going to lose alot of players
<Randy> i'm sure i will
<ArchAngel> most of them people who have invested money in you and your game
<Randy> but as long as i'm getting more players who donate more at a faster rate than we lose them (as we are) its the right choice.
<ArchAngel> in the hope that other people will pickup the slack
<ArchAngel> nice to see the longterm players are the sacrifical lamb for DP
<Randy> call it a business choice if you like
<Randy> say whatever you want about us
<Randy> but nev was in the red, it was in real bad shape
<Randy> and now its looking great again
<Randy> we'll still be here in a year
<Randy> and without fwar, i can't say that would be the case

 

 

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