12/01/08 Community Discussion

[12/01 - 23:00] <mattbuck> hmm
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[12/01 - 23:00] <mattbuck> 11pm by my reckoning
[12/01 - 23:00] * mattbuck slaps Kato_ZzZ around a bit with a large trout
[12/01 - 23:00] <Ken> hello mattbuck
[12/01 - 23:00] * mattbuck slaps Marathon around a bit with a large trout
[12/01 - 23:00] <Marathon> hail
[12/01 - 23:00] <Koolaid> 3PM my mine
[12/01 - 23:00] <Marathon> yep
[12/01 - 23:00] <HELLrazer-> any body knowwhat these do
[12/01 - 23:00] <HELLrazer-> 11 HALO Assist 3
[12/01 - 23:00] <Tai> im 1 min, fashionably late =P
[12/01 - 23:00] <mattbuck> oh good, at least someone else is awake
[12/01 - 23:01] <SW-DABOSS> supposed to have less of a chance of damabe from what i heard
[12/01 - 23:01] <SW-DABOSS> damage
[12/01 - 23:01] <Ben_Holland> Anyway
[12/01 - 23:01] <mattbuck> fashionably late is still late tai :p
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[12/01 - 23:01] <Ben_Holland> What's this meeting about?
[12/01 - 23:01] <Damz> the community
[12/01 - 23:01] <Tai> better late than never ;)
[12/01 - 23:01] <VoteJakeforNevLord> installing me as nevlord
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[12/01 - 23:01] <HELLrazer-> you can't put it on a mech
[12/01 - 23:01] <SW-DABOSS> love and peace group huggs
[12/01 - 23:01] <SW-DABOSS> no vech only
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[12/01 - 23:02] <Ken> hey DB do you have a mic??? might be easier to understand you JK
[12/01 - 23:02] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> good evening all
[12/01 - 23:02] <mattbuck> well, the general idea is to discuss the community standards of language we use towards each other
[12/01 - 23:02] <Death_Tornado> evening bell
[12/01 - 23:02] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> hiya dT
[12/01 - 23:02] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> DT*
[12/01 - 23:02] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> :P
[12/01 - 23:02] <SW-DABOSS> lol
[12/01 - 23:02] <mattbuck> and to try and put an end to the OOC bashing in pub mail
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[12/01 - 23:02] <Death_Tornado> ooc?
[12/01 - 23:03] <VoteJakeforNevLord> out of chat
[12/01 - 23:03] <mattbuck> characterr, not chat
[12/01 - 23:03] <VoteJakeforNevLord> er
[12/01 - 23:03] <VoteJakeforNevLord> yea
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[12/01 - 23:04] <Marathon> i guess the concern is that the way we interact is destructive to our community regardless of what is happening in the game
[12/01 - 23:04] <HELLrazer-> if i wuz to go in and out of this room like i wuz have'n router prob's would you ban me
[12/01 - 23:04] <Marathon> and the community sustains the fame so....
[12/01 - 23:04] <mattbuck> no HELLrazer-
[12/01 - 23:04] <Marathon> game* lol
[12/01 - 23:04] <buc`AFreaKy> but i would HELL
[12/01 - 23:04] <buc`AFreaKy> :P
[12/01 - 23:04] <buc`AFreaKy> nah
[12/01 - 23:04] <mattbuck> the fame of the game falls mainly on the sane
[12/01 - 23:04] <buc`AFreaKy> just dont do any setinfos
[12/01 - 23:04] <Damz> is this a meeting about the cheaters or gangbanging situation?
[12/01 - 23:05] <mattbuck> no
[12/01 - 23:05] <Damz> wot then?
[12/01 - 23:05] <Dag> lol
[12/01 - 23:05] <mattbuck> it's about out of game conduct
[12/01 - 23:05] <Death_Tornado> gangbanging situation will never be sloved
[12/01 - 23:05] <Death_Tornado> solved
[12/01 - 23:05] <HELLrazer-> just out look of other's
[12/01 - 23:05] <Dag> And cheating neither
[12/01 - 23:05] <mattbuck> it';s not about gangbanging, who cheated, or anything about ingame mechanics
[12/01 - 23:05] <Damz> i see
[12/01 - 23:05] <mattbuck> the furthest this actually extends to ingame stuff is public mail
[12/01 - 23:05] <mattbuck> that's the plan anyway
[12/01 - 23:06] <Damz> so im guessing revenge beatings on ppl in rl who beat me in arena's was bad?
[12/01 - 23:06] <mattbuck> yes
[12/01 - 23:06] <Damz> :(
[12/01 - 23:06] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> tbh the success of the game falls mainly on the peeps with time on their hands... we should reverse it a tad to attract the peeps that used to like building and hording .. we lost 50% of our game base when R made dudes fught :)
[12/01 - 23:06] <Aetius|SLDF> So group hug eh....
[12/01 - 23:06] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> fight*
[12/01 - 23:06] <mattbuck> we all know that nev is more than a game to most of us
[12/01 - 23:06] <Ben_Holland> The meeting is about getting people to stop being complete dicks to each other
[12/01 - 23:06] <Marathon> exactly
[12/01 - 23:06] <mattbuck> god knows most have tried to quit
[12/01 - 23:06] <mattbuck> chet actually found it more addictive than crack cocaine
[12/01 - 23:07] <mattbuck> but that involvement has led to hatred among the playerbase
[12/01 - 23:07] <HELLrazer-> N/A
[12/01 - 23:07] <HELLrazer-> nev gives it hole new meaning
[12/01 - 23:07] <SW-DABOSS> i enjoy the people more than the game it self
[12/01 - 23:07] <Marathon> before we can address other issues like those mentioned it would be useful to be able to discuss these things constructively - you see how messages and criticisms are tabled in pubmail and forums
[12/01 - 23:07] <Marathon> so have to start at the beginning i guess
[12/01 - 23:07] <Ben_Holland> Something I want to point out
[12/01 - 23:08] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> who is compiling the minutes of this meeting?
[12/01 - 23:08] <Ben_Holland> is that all of the most commonly 'accused' are not here
[12/01 - 23:08] <Death_Tornado> mattbuck
[12/01 - 23:08] <Ben_Holland> So...
[12/01 - 23:08] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> k ty
[12/01 - 23:08] <Frey> hey mattbuck...
[12/01 - 23:08] <Maghetti{NC}> hey hey its bell
[12/01 - 23:08] <Frey> you dont want to talk about all the things most of us think are important
[12/01 - 23:08] * mattbuck changes topic to 'Discussion on community standards in chat/forums/mail | Please try and be constructive | Welcome to #neveron_admin'
[12/01 - 23:08] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> hi mags
[12/01 - 23:08] <Frey> so what, exactly DO you want to talk about
[12/01 - 23:08] <mattbuck> no frey, not right now
[12/01 - 23:09] <mattbuck> we would LIKE to talk about cheating and stuff
[12/01 - 23:09] <Frey> tell us, mB
[12/01 - 23:09] <mattbuck> but we can't
[12/01 - 23:09] * buc`AFreaKy changes topic to 'Discussion on community standards in chat/forums/mail NOT ABOUT CHEATING, GBs etc!!!! | Please try and be constructive | Welcome to #neveron_admin'
[12/01 - 23:09] <Frey> so...TELL US
[12/01 - 23:09] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> no thats no worry give us an agenda
[12/01 - 23:09] <mattbuck> because frankly, it will just devolve into an argument about hoc vs anti-hoc
[12/01 - 23:09] <Frey> if cheating is not the single most important thing in the game artm
[12/01 - 23:09] <Frey> what is?
[12/01 - 23:09] <SW-DABOSS> respect
[12/01 - 23:09] <mattbuck> we need to form a groundwork first
[12/01 - 23:09] <Frey> like Bell says, give us an agenda
[12/01 - 23:09] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> frey let matt give us the meetin agenda
[12/01 - 23:09] <SW-DABOSS> and the rest will fall in place
[12/01 - 23:10] <mattbuck> we need to be able to talk about things without it dissolving into a pissing contest
[12/01 - 23:10] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yah
[12/01 - 23:10] <Frey> agreed
[12/01 - 23:10] <Tai> i dont read pub mail.
[12/01 - 23:10] <SW-DABOSS> perhaps factions could have diplomats?
[12/01 - 23:10] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> me either
[12/01 - 23:10] <Dag> We can all sing together but only one can speak. Could we just let Matt "talk" alone ?
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[12/01 - 23:10] <mattbuck> that's the agenda. a discussion to try and allow some respect for others back into neveron
[12/01 - 23:10] <Ken> if people respect each other and think of them as a friend would they be looking to cheat/GB?
[12/01 - 23:11] <Frey> how do i respect a cheat?
[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> .set automode 1
[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> .resync
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[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> Right
[12/01 - 23:11] <Ben_Holland> Thank you
[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> as I was saying
[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> the problem is that we as a community are mired in hatred for each other because of perceived wrongs done by one side against another
[12/01 - 23:11] <mattbuck> I would love to address the problem of cheating directly, but we can't
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[12/01 - 23:12] <mattbuck> because as a community, we're not ready to
[12/01 - 23:12] <mattbuck> YOU WILL GETR A CHANCE TO SPEAK SOON
[12/01 - 23:12] <Ben_Holland> lol...
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[12/01 - 23:12] <mattbuck> we need to be able to talk to each other without it descending into "your alliance did this back in 3221 and killed by locust"
[12/01 - 23:13] <mattbuck> Now, I would like people to help me out with this
[12/01 - 23:13] <mattbuck> so, please don't all talk at once, and let each other have a say
[12/01 - 23:13] * mattbuck sets mode: -m
[12/01 - 23:13] <Frey> mattbuck why not give each of us a turn at speaking
[12/01 - 23:13] <Frey> one at a time
[12/01 - 23:14] <Damz> test
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[12/01 - 23:14] <OverAndOverItGoes> ok, Frey, you want to go first
[12/01 - 23:14] <OverAndOverItGoes> go
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[12/01 - 23:14] <Frey> he he he
[12/01 - 23:14] <Frey> ok...
[12/01 - 23:14] <Frey> the game has admin probs
[12/01 - 23:14] <Frey> bugs
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[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> while these bugs exist, some peeps will use them
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> in the [past Seth actually controleld a lot of that
[12/01 - 23:15] <HELLrazer-> but callin name in pub mail there is n o need for it
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> and that kept the levels of indignation down
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> Seth is gone
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> his control has gone
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> WWS seems like he dont care how much cheating goes on
[12/01 - 23:15] <Frey> so we are all losing interest
[12/01 - 23:16] <Frey> if you want to get respect
[12/01 - 23:16] <Ravill> if they are donaters he doesn't care
[12/01 - 23:16] <Frey> we have to have a fair admin ON THE JOB
[12/01 - 23:16] <Frey> \my speech over
[12/01 - 23:16] <Aetius|SLDF> if you want respect, show respect
[12/01 - 23:16] <mattbuck> fair point frey
[12/01 - 23:16] <Arden[Work]> Wayward does not have the time to do that. When he actually finishes this player admin thing, we will have what we need there.
[12/01 - 23:16] <Ben_Holland> Ravill: Joe, shush for now please
[12/01 - 23:16] <Ben_Holland> oh, nvm
[12/01 - 23:17] <Arden[Work]> But talking to eachother is not easy, but it has been shown to be possible
[12/01 - 23:17] <Tai> i thought Ravill's name was brian
[12/01 - 23:17] <mattbuck> I agree with arden. when ww gets back from family business, and we get player admins, things will get better i would predict
[12/01 - 23:17] <mattbuck> anyway, this is from jake:
[12/01 - 23:17] <Frey> i am listening for the next speech
[12/01 - 23:17] <mattbuck> [12/01 - 23:13] <VoteJakeforNevLord> The problem with the whole respect issue, is that we are putting real dollar values at risk against one each other, and therefore any loss reflects negatively upon the individual who takes that value away. The possibility that it is done by cheating only intensifies the anger.
[12/01 - 23:17] <Ravill> he meant Aetius|SLDF
[12/01 - 23:17] <Ravill> that is joe
[12/01 - 23:17] <Arden[Work]> you just have to forget that you are not a chest thumping middle linebacker, and you might be able to talk to your enemies
[12/01 - 23:18] <Arden[Work]> hard to do with Real money on the line..
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[12/01 - 23:18] * Ben_Holland sets mode: -v Frey
[12/01 - 23:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> I feel we should keep arguements to a certain room
[12/01 - 23:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> or problems
[12/01 - 23:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> that way it is not in the neveron room
[12/01 - 23:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> and the new people don't see this crap there
[12/01 - 23:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> it would help with new people joining in
[12/01 - 23:19] <Arden[Work]> well, try to understand
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> we all have money invested, or most of us
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> and years of time
[12/01 - 23:20] <mattbuck> that's not such a bad idea to be honest, but I'm not sure it's quite the point
[12/01 - 23:20] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> what are we actually doing here .. bitchin about comments in stupid nevmail or makin constuc critisms 4 the future of a game I personally still like?
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> if you know that they have just as much on the line as you
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> it might get better
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> bell, there are and always have been problems
[12/01 - 23:20] <Arden[Work]> if we can fix deficiencies in teh community
[12/01 - 23:21] <Arden[Work]> and make it less hostile to new people..
[12/01 - 23:21] <mattbuck> we're discussing constructive criticism for the playerbase, bell, so that we can offer constructive criticism of the game
[12/01 - 23:21] <Arden[Work]> that means we GET new people
[12/01 - 23:21] <mattbuck> actually, there have been quite a few new guys recently, but it certainly has been hard for them
[12/01 - 23:21] <mattbuck> the fact that the quest was down for so long probably made many give up
[12/01 - 23:22] <mattbuck> but I think that for the most part, when they come to chat, they get a good reception
[12/01 - 23:22] <Tai> i still tell ppl about neveron, some of thoes new ppl are prolly cause of me
[12/01 - 23:22] <Arden[Work]> most likely, just an issue that we all have ATM is having to deal with the forced end of DOWs... which I understand the point.. but honestly...
[12/01 - 23:22] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> no tbh I think if you make the game less or more war'y for the newbs - alot like to war alot like to build (we really have not grasped a happy medium yet imho)
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[12/01 - 23:22] <Ben_Holland> On the topic of newbies
[12/01 - 23:23] <Ben_Holland> Here's my two cents
[12/01 - 23:23] <Frey> ...
[12/01 - 23:23] <Ben_Holland> As a new player in late 06, the first thing I did was read public mail, expecting that other newbs had asked questions on how to do stuff
[12/01 - 23:23] <Ben_Holland> Instead, I saw what we have today. Nothing but bitching
[12/01 - 23:24] <Ben_Holland> I seriously doubt I'm alone in that
[12/01 - 23:24] <Ben_Holland> People see the bitching and will probably assume "Oh god, I don't need this drama in my life"
[12/01 - 23:24] <Ben_Holland> and quit
[12/01 - 23:24] <Ben_Holland> ./end rant
[12/01 - 23:24] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> ben .. nevmails never been any different .. i am sure that does not influence 90% of peeps
[12/01 - 23:24] <OverAndOverItGoes> that is an interesting point there, what Bell said
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> about the ability to not have to war
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> I know of people who don't war
[12/01 - 23:25] <HELLrazer-> but it is still a place to start
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> but sit in fake fwars
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> so they can build and have fun selling crap on the markets
[12/01 - 23:25] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> its the ability of people to sustain there 50$ emps without gettin raped that matters
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> and I was wonder
[12/01 - 23:25] <OverAndOverItGoes> if in anyway people could be able to do it outside of having to do fake fwars
[12/01 - 23:26] <Ben_Holland> The answer to that is no
[12/01 - 23:26] <Frey> why?
[12/01 - 23:26] <buc`AFreaKy> war is part of the game
[12/01 - 23:26] <Ben_Holland> I won't call out names, but I like to make note that all warmongers that love to farm farms are not here
[12/01 - 23:26] <Ben_Holland> from all sides
[12/01 - 23:26] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> atmo it is no - ben means frey
[12/01 - 23:26] <buc`AFreaKy> i think we could make it less damaging tho
[12/01 - 23:26] <Ben_Holland> So ergo, I doubt those said individuals will change
[12/01 - 23:26] <Ben_Holland> because of this meeting
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> ok
[12/01 - 23:27] <mattbuck> maybe not
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> my turn on that point
[12/01 - 23:27] <mattbuck> go ahead buc
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> the major prob with that atm, is you either have no war, or a complete war that destroys an emp
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> nothing in between
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> raids are crap
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> cant keep anything
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> we need to be able to end wars
[12/01 - 23:27] <buc`AFreaKy> or attack outside of DOW
[12/01 - 23:27] <Ben_Holland> That's an admin thing
[12/01 - 23:27] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> buc think about newbs primarily
[12/01 - 23:27] <GoGoGoose> I would be in favor of duelling/FFA only empires.
[12/01 - 23:28] <buc`AFreaKy> players wont change that
[12/01 - 23:28] <OverAndOverItGoes> but it is good to keep tabs on the idea for the "admin Player" ben
[12/01 - 23:28] <Ben_Holland> that we cannot discuss with any real seriousness because of a lack of WWS
[12/01 - 23:28] <Death_Tornado> you can do that GoGoGoose
[12/01 - 23:28] <Aetius|SLDF> This meeting I assume is what we can do, not what has to be done by admin
[12/01 - 23:28] <mattbuck> true, but it is also relevant since it's a good part of where the game went wrong and thus where the community went wrong
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[12/01 - 23:28] <Lampy> im new and ive loved the whole thing.i am very new though.Noob island uses different tactics to main and is really a game in itself.FFA has brought mechs to newbs its a way into the game.You guys are discussing much bigger matters but the game system itself is sound and the scope is huge.i wont speak again but thats my newb 10cents.
[12/01 - 23:28] <GoGoGoose> Death Tornado - you can create duelling stables, but cannot prevent someone from warring your base empire.
[12/01 - 23:29] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> nice 2 c someone new lampy:)
[12/01 - 23:29] <Death_Tornado> whats in your dueling stable can not be attacked, hence you can keep dueling
[12/01 - 23:29] <Marathon> thanks for the input lampy - noob perspective is appreciated
[12/01 - 23:29] <mattbuck> i'm afraid Lampy, that as you stay, your sanity decreases
[12/01 - 23:29] <Ben_Holland> lol
[12/01 - 23:29] <mattbuck> and you start seeing the cracks in the facade
[12/01 - 23:29] <Death_Tornado> you will see alot of flaws in the game
[12/01 - 23:29] <Frey> talk at us some more, please Lampy
[12/01 - 23:29] <Lampy> sure thats all games for you
[12/01 - 23:29] <mattbuck> true
[12/01 - 23:29] <Lampy> the flaws of games are the games
[12/01 - 23:30] <Lampy> thats just the way it is
[12/01 - 23:30] <Ravill> neveron is going in the craphole no hope for it so just give up
[12/01 - 23:30] <mattbuck> ravill, please try and be constructive
[12/01 - 23:30] <OverAndOverItGoes> I say, if anyone adds anything about needs to change the game, add them for the "admin Player" and when we get one, they could talk to WWS for us
[12/01 - 23:30] <Murray> Try not to focus on the flaws, but on the community and fellowship :)
[12/01 - 23:30] <Ravill> i am
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[12/01 - 23:31] <mattbuck> the game has come a way for newbies, I will say
[12/01 - 23:31] <Ravill> trying to get you all to stop spending time on it that is constructive
[12/01 - 23:31] <rearly864> hi guys
[12/01 - 23:31] <mattbuck> hi rearly
[12/01 - 23:31] <GoGoGoose> Duelling/FFA empires: how about an empire, limited to 1 buildable zone being able to be listed as forever a duelling empire, and be immune from attack?
[12/01 - 23:31] <buc`AFreaKy> emp too small
[12/01 - 23:31] <OverAndOverItGoes> GoGOGoose at lvl 4
[12/01 - 23:31] <OverAndOverItGoes> you cna do that
[12/01 - 23:32] <buc`AFreaKy> most major dueling emps are higher lvls
[12/01 - 23:32] <mattbuck> it's not a bad idea, but not quite what we want to speak about, since it's a game mechanics question, and we need WWS for that
[12/01 - 23:32] <Aetius|SLDF> stay level 0, make a dueling stable, and stable all you buy then
[12/01 - 23:32] <OverAndOverItGoes> but immune with 1 buildable zone
[12/01 - 23:32] <buc`AFreaKy> cause they can afford stuff
[12/01 - 23:32] <Ken> only units in the stables wou.ld have no OMT but the costs of buyign the mechs and paying entrance fees could break a small empire
[12/01 - 23:32] <OverAndOverItGoes> is there anyway
[12/01 - 23:32] <Murray> So, do you want to destroy every empire, if an empire is a duelling empire, leave it
[12/01 - 23:32] <OverAndOverItGoes> for us as a WHOLE to bring the market prices down
[12/01 - 23:32] <Murray> there are many more that are not
[12/01 - 23:33] <OverAndOverItGoes> can we ALL cap our prices??
[12/01 - 23:33] <OverAndOverItGoes> as a whole
[12/01 - 23:33] <GoGoGoose> Duelling/FFA empires: Taht one buildable zone can still be attacked and beaten up. Tried it. got trashed.
[12/01 - 23:33] <Azchon> Not game mechanics, Mattbuck. A player populace agreed mediator. Or an alliance mediator. People who can mediate these things, and enforce them perhaps. Honestly, what you guys are saying is "We want rules, but we dont know what rules, and how we will enforce them.
[12/01 - 23:33] <Azchon> "
[12/01 - 23:33] <Frey> hear hear
[12/01 - 23:33] <Frey> hear this man
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[12/01 - 23:33] <Tai> if i may
[12/01 - 23:33] <Ravill> pointless discussion bye!!!
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[12/01 - 23:34] <OverAndOverItGoes> thank god
[12/01 - 23:34] <Aetius|SLDF> lets elect diplomats for each alliance, I vote myself as SLDF diplomat.
[12/01 - 23:34] * mattbuck sets mode: +v Frey
[12/01 - 23:34] * mattbuck sets mode: +v Tai
[12/01 - 23:34] * mattbuck sets mode: +v OverAndOverItGoes
[12/01 - 23:34] <mattbuck> ok, tai, go
[12/01 - 23:34] <Tai> when i was a newb, i remember the old arena and trny. which were awesome, the current ffa, and arenas dont hold up a tiny flame to thoes.
[12/01 - 23:35] <mattbuck> the old tournaments for 50rp or so that needed about 8 players?
[12/01 - 23:35] <Murray> Since MP00 is not here I am available, dependant on MP00's approvial
[12/01 - 23:35] <Tai> thus what makes it better for newb these days? i dont know what
[12/01 - 23:35] <OverAndOverItGoes> is there anyway as a WHOLE in neveron to put a CAP on the mineral prices, so that they don't go any higher, everyone puts minerals at 1 price all the time?? Then as they help balance the pricing mechs and vehicals should drop accordingly, right????????
[12/01 - 23:36] <VoteJakeforNevLord> no
[12/01 - 23:36] <mattbuck> the market is recovering atm :/
[12/01 - 23:36] <VoteJakeforNevLord> caps wont work
[12/01 - 23:36] <OverAndOverItGoes> ok
[12/01 - 23:36] <Frey> mineral prices will fall when the supply of mines increases
[12/01 - 23:36] <HELLrazer-> yep
[12/01 - 23:36] <VoteJakeforNevLord> or the amount of factories in the game goes down
[12/01 - 23:36] <Frey> and there just aint enuf mines
[12/01 - 23:36] <Frey> plus
[12/01 - 23:37] <rearly1> that is not strictly true
[12/01 - 23:37] <rearly1> there are lots of mines
[12/01 - 23:37] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> Main 2 things for a newb : being able to survive and join a faction .. i believe Tai - how do we change that? from current situation?
[12/01 - 23:37] <Tai> the value of tp has been reduced and land costs are through the roof for newbs
[12/01 - 23:37] <rearly1> however the means to make use of them is mainly higher level empires
[12/01 - 23:37] <rearly1> i have got several mines that i do not activate
[12/01 - 23:38] <rearly1> simply because set upcosts are prohibitive for smaller empires
[12/01 - 23:38] <Azchon> Well, noob wise, getting eaten is by far the hardest thing for someone to accept. I know i bout quit today when i WON, and lost atleast 1/2 of my units, and almosy 90% of my strength.
[12/01 - 23:38] <rearly1> and makes you more a target
[12/01 - 23:38] <HELLrazer-> i'v had two conbust mines dry up in less then a week of being started
[12/01 - 23:38] <Frey> so have we all
[12/01 - 23:38] <Frey> bugs, bugs
[12/01 - 23:39] <HELLrazer-> this is pointless
[12/01 - 23:39] <HELLrazer-> take care
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[12/01 - 23:40] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> Azchon - did you want to fight? Or feel impelled to fight (cause maybe of crazy skill losses) Would you not prefer to build and duel in a safer enveronment while u are small?
[12/01 - 23:40] <Ken> one thing that may help... being able to replace what was lost easier
[12/01 - 23:40] <Azchon> I felt i wanted to fight
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[12/01 - 23:40] <Azchon> I wanted to enjoy the game mechanics. I didnt want to lose my army in a massacre, and then lose why i played in the first place.
[12/01 - 23:40] <Tai> i agree with hellrazer, i gave up on mines a long while ago
[12/01 - 23:40] <mattbuck> that's sort of how the entire playerbase feels
[12/01 - 23:41] <mattbuck> we want to keep our armies, and the stuff we've built
[12/01 - 23:41] <mattbuck> but we'd also like to be able to use them
[12/01 - 23:41] <GoGoGoose> Mattbuck:
[12/01 - 23:41] <Ken> if we coudl just click a replace DP mech button or something????
[12/01 - 23:41] <Azchon> Well, if we had the ability to ask for a change, why not a permanent place, or permanent units? Or something to that song.
[12/01 - 23:42] <Ken> then Y war if you can'
[12/01 - 23:42] <VoteJakeforNevLord> terrible idea lol
[12/01 - 23:42] <GoGoGoose> AMattbuck: and thus my idea of Duel/FFA only empires, where youre buildings can't get leveled, but ou can't LW others
[12/01 - 23:42] <Ken> can't keep what you ahd one ***
[12/01 - 23:42] <Frey> how about option to surrender at 20% losses?
[12/01 - 23:42] <mattbuck> you raise a point there frey
[12/01 - 23:42] <Azchon> Actually, i remember seeing a quote about people who were RPers for the Clans, where they asked ahead of time to war, and what units were going to be used.
[12/01 - 23:42] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> Or surrender when dow'd imediate
[12/01 - 23:42] <Ken> had won* I think DB rubbed off on me talking to him earlier LOL
[12/01 - 23:42] <Biscuit> Didn't we used to have lower surrender levels?
[12/01 - 23:43] <mattbuck> 30% of en ampire, the minimum surrender is a HUGE amount of an empire
[12/01 - 23:43] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> what about 0%
[12/01 - 23:43] <mattbuck> yes, we used to have 10 and 20
[12/01 - 23:43] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> ;0
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[12/01 - 23:43] <buc`AFreaKy> i still think ending dows when we want, and making attacks without DOW (as we used to) would help these issues!
[12/01 - 23:43] <Azchon> Actually guys, i have a proposed functionk, if we could have one added, as long as we are talking about parts
[12/01 - 23:43] <Aetius|SLDF> wouldnt that be France Bell?
[12/01 - 23:43] <Azchon> Why not something where you can set up a fight, but no losses will be incured, besides surrendering an empire?
[12/01 - 23:43] * mattbuck sets mode: +v Azchon
[12/01 - 23:43] <Azchon> *function
[12/01 - 23:44] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> well Joe .. application wud need some thought .. but newbs might benefit .. could make it an option for lvl 2 and below
[12/01 - 23:44] <Azchon> Like request an honorable fight with an empire, and set it up for a surrender, but the units all survive, as well as no real loss to buildings.
[12/01 - 23:45] <Aetius|SLDF> have you ever seen a real war?
[12/01 - 23:45] <Aetius|SLDF> there are losses
[12/01 - 23:45] <Azchon> I did NOT say this was to be realistic to life
[12/01 - 23:45] <Frey> imo losses are important
[12/01 - 23:45] <Biscuit> Agreed, there has to be some risk
[12/01 - 23:45] <Azchon> If you wish to keep the losses then why would you complain about there being a problem with losing something.
[12/01 - 23:46] <Aetius|SLDF> this is a strategy game
[12/01 - 23:46] <rearly1> Azchon
[12/01 - 23:46] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> The main reason (all) that Randy went for the massive destruction in the game was coz the Databases were too over crowded with idle units
[12/01 - 23:46] <Murray> and how about an agreement to create Factions to shelter Newbies until they get accustomed to how Nev works?
[12/01 - 23:46] <Biscuit> But maybe not as much as we have ATM
[12/01 - 23:46] <Murray> once they leave Newbie Island
[12/01 - 23:46] <Aetius|SLDF> no offense to anyone out there, but you want a peacefull build up game, there is always sim city.
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[12/01 - 23:46] <Azchon> Again, Aetius, this is a proposed extra function. This is not to replace war
[12/01 - 23:46] <GoGoGoose> There is no sTragegy in loosing 7000 BV and 7000 POP while in bed with the flu and unable to defend...
[12/01 - 23:46] <rearly1> you mentioned a war you won yet lost 50% forces?
[12/01 - 23:47] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yah well said goose
[12/01 - 23:47] <Ken> or having someone hit you after 3 straight wars and you have less than 10 mil on hand
[12/01 - 23:47] <Tai> thoes ideal units werent the newbs fault antioch
[12/01 - 23:47] <Frey> how about an option for a 5 real day cf?
[12/01 - 23:47] <Ken> and your unable to retalliate
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[12/01 - 23:47] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> welcome maximus
[12/01 - 23:47] <Maximus> hi
[12/01 - 23:47] <Maximus> i miss it?
[12/01 - 23:48] <Arden[Work]> End forced DOWs problem fixed
[12/01 - 23:48] <rearly1> so for all these points what is the solution?
[12/01 - 23:48] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> i say reform teams
[12/01 - 23:48] <Arden[Work]> Bring back diplomacy
[12/01 - 23:48] <rearly1> GoGoGoose you have a faction?
[12/01 - 23:48] <GoGoGoose> yes
[12/01 - 23:48] <rearly1> they have bp?
[12/01 - 23:49] <GoGoGoose> set them up. yes.
[12/01 - 23:49] <rearly1> i thought that was the solution to not being able to play yourself
[12/01 - 23:49] <Death_Tornado> and have cfs on? :P
[12/01 - 23:49] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> hoc splits up into 5 new teams
[12/01 - 23:49] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> anti-hoc splits up into 4
[12/01 - 23:49] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> maybe 3
[12/01 - 23:49] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> (they are smaller and more inept)
[12/01 - 23:49] <Maximus> they wouldd still be loose allies...
[12/01 - 23:50] <Maximus> they arent exactly gonna dow eachother strait away
[12/01 - 23:50] <Aetius|SLDF> Arden, I am still offering my skills as a diplomat to SLDF
[12/01 - 23:50] <GoGoGoose> Other's can't keep my back 24/7
[12/01 - 23:50] <Maximus> lol joe
[12/01 - 23:50] <rearly1> i agree
[12/01 - 23:50] <Maximus> constuctive.... ;)
[12/01 - 23:50] <Arden[Work]> no thanks joe
[12/01 - 23:50] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> and everyone fights on their team
[12/01 - 23:50] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> against every other team
[12/01 - 23:50] <jake|sellingnevcash_dp> is the only way
[12/01 - 23:50] <rearly1> and i have the same sitch
[12/01 - 23:51] <Arden[Work]> why split up the community, most of us on the same side have grown to be friends?
[12/01 - 23:51] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> u mean extra to factions Jake - have the houses?
[12/01 - 23:51] <rearly1> however i suppose that this is where the strength of your defences comes into play
[12/01 - 23:51] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> most my freinds are on the opposite side:P
[12/01 - 23:51] * Arden[Work] glares at bell
[12/01 - 23:52] <rearly1> i think that if you want to deter attacks then the stronger you are defensively the better
[12/01 - 23:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> u killed all my sides friends!
[12/01 - 23:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> :P
[12/01 - 23:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> or they left as the game changed
[12/01 - 23:52] <Arden[Work]> no more madman :P
[12/01 - 23:52] <Aetius|SLDF> then join HoC Bell
[12/01 - 23:52] <rearly1> would allowing lower level empires to purchase better quality towers not help? WDUT??
[12/01 - 23:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i am not tlakin about madman
[12/01 - 23:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> more so the german element
[12/01 - 23:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> we need MORE new players
[12/01 - 23:53] <Tai> okay, if you want to help the newbs. first update the help page. it is extremely out of date
[12/01 - 23:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> good point Tai
[12/01 - 23:54] <Ken> what about mentoring newbies?
[12/01 - 23:54] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> a good idea
[12/01 - 23:54] <Maximus> i recon we should start NEWB 2, an jointly run faction to train ppl who actualy have shown an interest in nev and got past lvl 1
[12/01 - 23:54] <Tai> bought the t-shrit =P
[12/01 - 23:54] <Tyr> that would be a good thing
[12/01 - 23:54] <Aetius|SLDF> that is what you do when you bring them to your faction Ken
[12/01 - 23:54] <Maximus> will help them to grow and learn etc
[12/01 - 23:54] <Ken> when a new player comes in set them up with someone that has played for years
[12/01 - 23:54] <Maximus> and eventualy find an alliance
[12/01 - 23:55] <Ken> true
[12/01 - 23:55] <mattbuck> i do try to mostly ken
[12/01 - 23:55] <Biscuit> I've seen it work in other places
[12/01 - 23:55] <Ken> as do I mattbuck
[12/01 - 23:55] <rearly1> what about us poor sods who make our own way past lvl 1
[12/01 - 23:55] <mattbuck> problem is that i can't honestly tell newbies to join either of the main two sides
[12/01 - 23:55] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> To leave Nev island .. do you have to join a faction ..no?
[12/01 - 23:55] <mattbuck> no
[12/01 - 23:55] * Marathon sets mode: +v Murray
[12/01 - 23:55] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> thats a prob
[12/01 - 23:55] <mattbuck> but if you don't, you have to claim a zone for 25mil
[12/01 - 23:56] <rearly1> to repair off noob island you do need a faction
[12/01 - 23:56] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> so most the guys that go on there own prolly get raped
[12/01 - 23:56] <Ken> but if we could hook new players up with other players in their area maybe they could sit down together and go over some things together??? you get the idea I had
[12/01 - 23:56] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> and they are prolly the richer .. dp players too
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[12/01 - 23:57] <Aetius|SLDF> bring your friends to the game Ken
[12/01 - 23:57] <Ken> I do
[12/01 - 23:57] <Ken> I'm sitting with one now
[12/01 - 23:58] <Ken> and that would also bring up in game respect some. as there would be a face with a name
[12/01 - 23:59] <Murray> or a name with the empire
[12/01 - 23:59] <Ken> that too Murray
[12/01 - 23:59] <Lampy> getting newbs together is a v good idea. when you start playing nev you have no context, clear aims or goals. the tent cities make this more apparent as no one owns territory, just tiny units of land. All the strategy is within the complexity of the game.
[12/01 - 23:59] <Aetius|SLDF> we used to hold conventions, to meet players at Ken
[12/01 - 23:59] <GoGoGoose> I played nev for 3 years, left for roughly 4 and when I came back. I got raped on Noob Island, I got raped off noob island, each hit was a major blow requiring months to rebuild.
[13/01 - 00:00] <Ken> I know Aetius|SLDF
[13/01 - 00:00] <Ken> I hadn't been to any but I did want to just couldn't get the time off work too
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[13/01 - 00:01] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> guard ..hi
[13/01 - 00:01] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> hi mp00
[13/01 - 00:01] <Lampy> ive been on noob for 4 months and never been attacked
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[13/01 - 00:01] <guardian> hey bell
[13/01 - 00:01] <Ken> the only bad thing about those tho the one thing that still gives me nightmares is seeing that pic of Chet in his underwear that someone posted
[13/01 - 00:01] <GoGoGoose> Congrats Lampy.
[13/01 - 00:01] <Lampy> 4 empires from sises 0 to 2
[13/01 - 00:01] <Tai> you must be doing something right, Lampy
[13/01 - 00:01] <Lampy> nothing special
[13/01 - 00:02] <mattbuck> ok, we don't appear to be getting anywhere here
[13/01 - 00:02] <guardian> lol
[13/01 - 00:02] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> what are your expectation matt
[13/01 - 00:02] <rearly1> what specifically are you looking to achieve here?
[13/01 - 00:02] <Murray> We as older players should push the use of the Sim for new players so they can develop their combat style with the units they have
[13/01 - 00:03] <mattbuck> so as per Azchon's suggestion (damn i wish my faction weren;t full), i shall mute channel and post a question; then invite people to pm myself or mirray with thoughts
[13/01 - 00:03] <Maximus> mb as chair of the meeting why dont u pick some of the ideas mentioned and we will discuss them between us, then maybe vote to agree things and take action....for instance maybe agree some kind of newb helping stuff
[13/01 - 00:03] <mattbuck> .addhop Murray
[13/01 - 00:03] <Aetius|SLDF> does the sim still work?
[13/01 - 00:03] * mattbuck sets mode: +h Murray
[13/01 - 00:03] <GoGoGoose> I will say, when coming back after my absence I did like the use of the Sim to brush up. Nice add
[13/01 - 00:03] <Aetius|SLDF> have not used it in ages
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[13/01 - 00:03] <mattbuck> ok
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[13/01 - 00:04] <mattbuck> I am looking for constructive ways to get newbies to stay longer
[13/01 - 00:04] <mattbuck> please pm me or Murray with suggestions, and we'll post them
[13/01 - 00:04] <Murray> Mentoring is the best idea
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[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> <Maximus> start a joint run newb 2 faction. all major alliances will fund and have representatives helping to run it
[13/01 - 00:05] <Murray> :) good idea
[13/01 - 00:05] <buc`AFreaKy> i like that idea Maximus
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> it will be a place for semi newbs to learn
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> as in ppl who have decided they like what they see
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> and wanna go past lvl 0....
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> we will teach them
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> help them to grow
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> and help them find alliances
[13/01 - 00:05] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Azchon> Mentoring is a great idea, perhaps if we asked people to look for noobs in game, and private message them, asking to help mentor them?
[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> ok, people can pm buc`AFreaKy as well
[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:05] <Maximus> all alliances that help will be entitled to make a recruitment pitch for newbs
[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> or Marathon, since he's woken up
[13/01 - 00:06] <Marathon> :D
[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:06] <Maximus> can set up restrictions so recruitment of newbs is evenly spread through participating alliances
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[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> [12/01 - 23:59] <Revant> Fwar is the reason I quit being a FL I could no longer help noobs or inactive members. They became a liability to the faction in a fwar.
[13/01 - 00:06] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:06] <Revant> get rid of Fwars and a FL's may be more willing to help marginal players who would otherwise be a liability to the faction.
[13/01 - 00:07] <mattbuck> it's not really something we can do ourselves Revant, but it's an idea certainly
[13/01 - 00:08] <mattbuck> anyone else? comments?
[13/01 - 00:08] <Marathon> id put in setting up a group of people who are commtited to writing the help system
[13/01 - 00:08] <Murray> lol We should state in the New Factions that are for mentoring New players, be exempt for FDow
[13/01 - 00:08] <Marathon> perhaps in exchaneg for somethign from WWS
[13/01 - 00:08] <Marathon> as soemone emntioned earlier
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[13/01 - 00:10] <mattbuck> a community effort to improve the help system would certainly be a good thing
[13/01 - 00:11] <Murray> We could do up a discription of the techs, if there is one I have not found it :(
[13/01 - 00:11] * Marathon credits Tai for that suggestion earlier
[13/01 - 00:11] <mattbuck> good start
[13/01 - 00:12] <mattbuck> no one else?
[13/01 - 00:12] <Tai> how about a choice of additional units/pop/funds when you start a new emp. you can choose 1 of a hand full of choices. it would give the newbs a head start besides a lance of jeeps.
[13/01 - 00:13] <Murray> A step by step discription on how to setup a defense, preplace units and build and place towers
[13/01 - 00:13] <OverAndOverItGoes> screen shots
[13/01 - 00:13] <OverAndOverItGoes> murray
[13/01 - 00:13] <Murray> :)
[13/01 - 00:13] * mattbuck sets mode: +v Maximus
[13/01 - 00:14] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:13] <Maximus> in responce to tai: thats all well and good, but useless if they dont know how to make the most of that bonus
[13/01 - 00:14] <Murray> <Antioch-Bell{STB}> we need to ensure newbs login to afternet neveron : this really makes them feel more part of community and there they can start gettin help deciding which faction to go to etc .. i bet 60% never get that far!!! ... it should be part the game!
[13/01 - 00:14] <Murray> <Ken> what about setting someting up on the help pages with players that are willing to mentor and their general locations and let the newb's contact them via email addys?
[13/01 - 00:15] <mattbuck> [13/01 - 00:14] <Azchon> Perhaps setting up the merc system so it hides whoever is doing the missions, so that players neednt be afraid of retaliation. It would allow players to create merc empires, and noobs would be able to exist without joining a super alliance. (Well, maybe a merc faction)
[13/01 - 00:15] <mattbuck> i'm going afk for a bit, murray is in charge
[13/01 - 00:15] * mattbuck sets mode: -oo mattbot3 mattbuck
[13/01 - 00:15] <OverAndOverItGoes> ok
[13/01 - 00:15] <Ben_Holland> word
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[13/01 - 00:16] <Tai> how about a tutorial system that is a forced walkthrough showing the battle map, in battle and emp options? that is a big change but just an idea
[13/01 - 00:16] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yeah thats a good idea too
[13/01 - 00:16] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> force a basic tutorial
[13/01 - 00:16] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> basic
[13/01 - 00:17] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> aqs the games far too complex
[13/01 - 00:17] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> as*
[13/01 - 00:17] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> force mirc before they come off newb island?
[13/01 - 00:17] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> make em talk to peeps
[13/01 - 00:18] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> there is so much sucess to have by bein frenly online
[13/01 - 00:19] <Murray> We should focus on what we as players can do :)
[13/01 - 00:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> screen shots
[13/01 - 00:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> can show them how to do stuff
[13/01 - 00:19] <OverAndOverItGoes> like Murray was saying
[13/01 - 00:20] <Murray> how many here have small lvl 1 or 2 empires that can build infra for new players?
[13/01 - 00:20] <Murray> So the new players have a chance to grow in the real nev:)
[13/01 - 00:20] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> well ... we should explain in capitals in the tutorial they must goto mirc
[13/01 - 00:21] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> *mp00* need to find a way to reward them for coming to chat, something more substantial them TA like 20 mil
[13/01 - 00:21] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> ty mp00
[13/01 - 00:21] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> dont talk to me mp00 .. talk to room:)
[13/01 - 00:21] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i am merely a u
[13/01 - 00:21] * Marathon sets mode: +v mp00
[13/01 - 00:21] <mp00> #neveron_admin Cannot send to channel
[13/01 - 00:21] <mp00> ty
[13/01 - 00:22] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> sorry didnt realise:)
[13/01 - 00:22] <Marathon> go mp
[13/01 - 00:22] <mp00> but for that need some sorta partial access to noob admin emp
[13/01 - 00:22] <mp00> or way to make 1 time donation of cash to noob empire allowed
[13/01 - 00:22] <mp00> noobs more likely to come back to chat if they get stuff to play with
[13/01 - 00:23] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> of course
[13/01 - 00:23] <Murray> Or use some of those taxes that we get hit with when we buy or sell anything goes toward the Noobie faction
[13/01 - 00:23] <Marathon> Azchon Why not put a tab that is mIRC with apart of the noob quest is going to it.
[13/01 - 00:23] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> a respectable noob would most likely get imediate help from people anyway
[13/01 - 00:23] <mp00> or even some of us make low level empires just to fight the noobs and teach them, letting them win etc..
[13/01 - 00:23] <Tai> what about protection from attacks for the first few months once a emp has started unless they dow someone then it cancels. Or even a market discount for the first 7 days once a emp has begun.
[13/01 - 00:24] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> all works
[13/01 - 00:24] <Murray> Allow lvl 0's to be able to sell things might help
[13/01 - 00:24] <Tai> if i was a newb, that would be pleasing to them
[13/01 - 00:24] <mp00> protection is good up to point they overbuild, get dowed soon as they out of it, lose tons and get smoked
[13/01 - 00:25] <mp00> and decide to quit after that
[13/01 - 00:25] <Murray> they lose everything they build on the island anyway and most do not realise that :(
[13/01 - 00:25] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yeah but mp00 I wanna make sure we scoop up into factions the serious newbs
[13/01 - 00:25] <mp00> true
[13/01 - 00:26] <mp00> but cannot fairly bring a 'protected noob empire' into a faction if fwars are still in place
[13/01 - 00:26] * Marathon reminds <<<pm a hop if you wanna talk :) >>>
[13/01 - 00:26] <Murray> lol
[13/01 - 00:26] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> we need the fwar thing re-shaping a little
[13/01 - 00:27] <Murray> What can we do to make the new players feel more apart of the whole community?
[13/01 - 00:27] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> but for me thats not a core debate
[13/01 - 00:27] <Tai> i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when i was shown neveron for the first time. the rl friend of mine killed my first main emp, then laughed about it the next day. whos to say these ppl wont still take avantage of these ppl and assassinate them. we still have problems with ppl trusting each other
[13/01 - 00:27] <Murray> Maybe we should have monthy raffles or contests?
[13/01 - 00:27] <mp00> very true Tai
[13/01 - 00:27] <mp00> raffles are fun
[13/01 - 00:28] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> but he was your rl fren Tai .. online frens are far more honest ;0
[13/01 - 00:28] <mp00> contests are hard to do with players time zones and such
[13/01 - 00:28] <mp00> the FFA would be good place for most activites
[13/01 - 00:28] <Murray> <Ken> the mentor has a second login to create a new empire along side of the newb and teach them war and let them get the rep and infra from it
[13/01 - 00:29] <Tai> i dont trust anyone at all. and i tell all the newbs the same thing
[13/01 - 00:29] <mp00> maybe a way for large empires to donate to cash in the FAA enticing more people into it
[13/01 - 00:29] <Tai> hell, i told Truffles, here not to trust anyone. hes a newb :P
[13/01 - 00:29] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> all u would get mp00 is large emps winnin it all back
[13/01 - 00:29] <Murray> FFA is a slaughterhouse when there are too many people in it
[13/01 - 00:30] <mp00> thats part of the fun
[13/01 - 00:30] <Murray> lol
[13/01 - 00:30] <mp00> maybe make a 'happy hour' FFA
[13/01 - 00:30] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> in old neveron
[13/01 - 00:30] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> better than the ffa
[13/01 - 00:30] <mp00> more TP less cash
[13/01 - 00:30] <mp00> noobs would prefer since most try research early on more then war
[13/01 - 00:31] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> we used to have like a massive battle v 2 sides
[13/01 - 00:31] <Murray> new player need the cash more than the larger empires, but everyone likes the TP's
[13/01 - 00:31] <mp00> Tai, so you told him not to trust anyone..how can he trust your own satement :P
[13/01 - 00:31] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> all set up by admin
[13/01 - 00:31] <mp00> a second FFA type bell?
[13/01 - 00:31] <Marathon> indeed
[13/01 - 00:31] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> no
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[13/01 - 00:31] <Marathon> need to keep focus on what we can do at this time
[13/01 - 00:32] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> spmething set up on a weekly basis by admin
[13/01 - 00:32] <Marathon> although all the ideas and thought around improvmeent are good
[13/01 - 00:32] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> to keep peeps interested
[13/01 - 00:32] <Tai> ive suggested many many times for events. more than friday the 13 ffa rhino day
[13/01 - 00:32] <Murray> Small raffles for new players would be nice, a few million here a new vehicle there, nothing too expensive
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[13/01 - 00:32] <mp00> yeah
[13/01 - 00:32] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> they could have newb island weekly raffles
[13/01 - 00:33] <Marathon> raffles are soemthign we can do -discussions around player organised raffles or even tournametns with prizes have happened in the past, with the general feeling that there would not be enough support
[13/01 - 00:33] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> but u'd also get seasoned players in there then:P
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[13/01 - 00:33] <Murray> Hold them on a weekend, and just have the new players sign up and we list the winners
[13/01 - 00:33] <buc`AFreaKy> .a
[13/01 - 00:33] * Marathon looks at savant
[13/01 - 00:33] <Tai> newbs dont have cash to play around with in raffles and stuff.
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[13/01 - 00:34] <Marathon> you dont need cash for a raffle tai
[13/01 - 00:34] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> hoc doesnt need to gangbang a newb sav
[13/01 - 00:34] <Marathon> you just...win :)
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[13/01 - 00:35] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> all my best memorys from nev were actually those events
[13/01 - 00:35] <Murray> The newbies get the cash 5 million to them is like a new mech to a medium sized empire
[13/01 - 00:35] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> they were awesome
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[13/01 - 00:36] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> but again it was all about comunication
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[13/01 - 00:36] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> lol
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[13/01 - 00:37] <mp00> theres always the old faction activity check, first one to chat wins XXXX
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[13/01 - 00:37] <mp00> do that in noob faction, confrim with a free
[13/01 - 00:37] <mp00> TA
[13/01 - 00:37] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yah thats a decent idea
[13/01 - 00:37] <mp00> and reward everyone who shows
[13/01 - 00:37] <Tai> I may be talking too much now about negitive things but the changes we player can do for newbs is very limited, since noone is trustworthy enough. I hate to cut everyone down like that, but thats how i feel.
[13/01 - 00:37] <mp00> not just the first
[13/01 - 00:38] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> ur too suspicious Tai
[13/01 - 00:38] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> games made u that way
[13/01 - 00:38] <mp00> bell who told you to say that!
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[13/01 - 00:38] <Marathon> rebuilding the help system has almost no bearing on trustworthiness, for example
[13/01 - 00:38] <Murray> You can only offer the help, no one has to accept it
[13/01 - 00:38] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i relaxed my suspicion and met some great new dudes
[13/01 - 00:38] <Tai> your not suspicious enough. when your a newb you cant fall back on your lvl 13 for more units antioch
[13/01 - 00:39] <Marathon> neither can anyone else in noob faction tho
[13/01 - 00:39] <mp00> as a noob you have little choice but to trust to survive
[13/01 - 00:39] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yup
[13/01 - 00:39] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> Tai is sayin WE wont trust them tho
[13/01 - 00:39] <mp00> without help there is nearly no chance of survival
[13/01 - 00:40] <mp00> it all boils down to how much trust
[13/01 - 00:40] <Tai> then you'll most likely die
[13/01 - 00:40] <mp00> but thats not something we can control
[13/01 - 00:40] <mp00> on either side
[13/01 - 00:40] <Tai> as an example hoppy will come along and kill them all
[13/01 - 00:41] <mp00> then everyone, including hoppys friends, have to go along and keep hoppy busy if he does that
[13/01 - 00:41] <Murray> then it would up to us, to help them rebuild
[13/01 - 00:41] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> so to help newbs we ban hoppy;P?
[13/01 - 00:41] <mp00> dont see a downside to that bell :P
[13/01 - 00:41] <Murray> lol
[13/01 - 00:41] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> murray is right
[13/01 - 00:42] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> if they in chat we can help em np
[13/01 - 00:42] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> if they aint in chat
[13/01 - 00:42] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> they give up
[13/01 - 00:42] <mp00> if theres a mentor, they help rebuild and get someone to drop on the attacker
[13/01 - 00:42] <Marathon> i have seen some good examples of people who actively assist otehrs to rebuild after wars
[13/01 - 00:42] <Murray> so we have to premote chat :)
[13/01 - 00:42] <mp00> especially recently eh mara? :P
[13/01 - 00:42] <Marathon> perhaps again as a community we could consider building this into our general practice
[13/01 - 00:42] <Marathon> yeah -ive copped it and dealt out help mp :D
[13/01 - 00:43] <mp00> chat is what keeps new players around
[13/01 - 00:43] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yes .. involves them
[13/01 - 00:43] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> make frens .. hoc or no :)
[13/01 - 00:43] <Murray> yup, but sometime some of the arguements scare them off
[13/01 - 00:43] <mp00> otherwise they can lose interest, randy once said out of 100 new players 3 last past 1 month
[13/01 - 00:43] <Tai> lord victor frost stole funds from me, when he was my fl before i quit. i dped to try to get ahead in the game, as a newb i could not accept all the funds at one time. so i dont trust fl's eather
[13/01 - 00:43] <mp00> when he checked that stuff
[13/01 - 00:44] <mp00> was same way Tai, i had ALL my empires stolen when i first played
[13/01 - 00:44] <mp00> back before there was a 5 empire limit
[13/01 - 00:44] <mp00> so i have trust issues too
[13/01 - 00:45] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> as i said b4 Tai .. ur too suspicious (and unlucky)
[13/01 - 00:45] <mp00> but in some cases you just have to allow it
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[13/01 - 00:46] <Tai> but im not a newb, so theres no issue about my trust. its about us players and what we can do for the new players. how can that happen when its so corrupt. im at a loss of thought here
[13/01 - 00:46] <mp00> you can die in nev by trusting too much, and by not trusting anyone to help out when you not on
[13/01 - 00:46] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> there comes a point were we have to relax our suspicions though
[13/01 - 00:46] <Tai> someone can tell me to be quiet anytime :P
[13/01 - 00:46] <Murray> but for us, if we had a lvl 1 mentoring empire and we lost it, oh well we rebuild a new one in what a couple of days?
[13/01 - 00:46] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> or we will help the game die
[13/01 - 00:47] <Tai> yes, most likely you have to be killed many times to learn how to play the game.
[13/01 - 00:47] <Tai> how can we advoid that?
[13/01 - 00:48] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i dont think thats unavoidable
[13/01 - 00:48] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> but in a faction with frens u can rebuild
[13/01 - 00:48] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> as a neb u just give up
[13/01 - 00:48] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> newb*
[13/01 - 00:48] <Tai> in a faction you can play with other empires as you learn, but its still different when its your own. theres limited knowledge to gain
[13/01 - 00:49] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> after making a succesful faction emp
[13/01 - 00:49] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> u are free to attempt your own eway with other emps
[13/01 - 00:49] <mp00> so are we looking at WW making a second newb faction were mentors can twin up with a noob?
[13/01 - 00:50] <mp00> or some of us have noob empires permanently to help out?
[13/01 - 00:50] <Murray> yup
[13/01 - 00:50] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> for me .. communication is king
[13/01 - 00:50] <mp00> or a seperate all-nev funded faction with people from all alliance helping out?
[13/01 - 00:51] <mp00> which no one is allowed to hit and we all protect?
[13/01 - 00:51] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> communication = a decent tutorial .. and a decent HOW to get on MIRC tutorial
[13/01 - 00:51] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> which i have never seen
[13/01 - 00:52] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> in my 7 years of nev ...
[13/01 - 00:52] <mp00> yeah
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> there has been some good ideas
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> tonight
[13/01 - 00:53] <mp00> one that tells you to do quest, and get rewarded.
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> there u goL:)
[13/01 - 00:53] <mp00> go to FFA and learn more combat and get rewarded
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> go :)
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yes
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> really
[13/01 - 00:53] <Tai> this might be off topic, as an example. wws would take a bunch of good things out of the game, and to make up for it he add multiplyers if you war in a fwar. then he takes that away shortly after, theres a constant decline of bad news
[13/01 - 00:53] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> they should link up with sum1 b4 they go to ffa
[13/01 - 00:53] <Tai> whos to say he wont mess with that idea too
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[13/01 - 00:53] <mp00> in FFA some chat comes up, you learn nev players arent all pedophiles and come to main chat, and get rewarded.
[13/01 - 00:54] <mp00> with cash, TA and whatever
[13/01 - 00:54] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yah that works
[13/01 - 00:54] <mp00> depends alot on players with empires being active in chat watching for noobs
[13/01 - 00:54] <Murray> yes :)
[13/01 - 00:54] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> of course
[13/01 - 00:54] <mp00> since many will only come in for few minutes and leave
[13/01 - 00:55] <Tai> im just going to be quiet now, unless i have something good to say. im just a happy, negitive type of guy.
[13/01 - 00:55] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> you would still get a 10% of idiots too
[13/01 - 00:55] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> so be prepared:)
[13/01 - 00:55] <Marathon> lol tai
[13/01 - 00:55] <mp00> any change we need from WW is (honestly nothing against him) something i wouldnt count on
[13/01 - 00:56] <Murray> let him sort things out and appoint player admins to help him :)
[13/01 - 00:56] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> yah ^
[13/01 - 00:56] <Murray> Things will get better :)
[13/01 - 00:56] <mp00> no Tai, your points are valid at least to showing some of the later things we need to work on, for now we probably more looking at more new players, more cash for WW and hopely more coding done for nev
[13/01 - 00:57] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> exactly
[13/01 - 00:57] <Murray> :)(
[13/01 - 00:57] <Murray> :)
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[13/01 - 00:57] <Murray> lol
[13/01 - 00:57] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> more new players certainly means mo cash so WWS shud be interestred
[13/01 - 00:57] <mp00> so in the end we must all try to be pimps and pushers for nev
[13/01 - 00:57] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> lol
[13/01 - 00:57] <Azchon> May i point out that we have stopped recieving player input, save the unmuted people?
[13/01 - 00:57] <Murray> more like mentors and players lol
[13/01 - 00:57] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> oops
[13/01 - 00:57] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> good point
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[13/01 - 00:58] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> sorry all
[13/01 - 00:58] <Tai> they were muted??? you bastards!
[13/01 - 00:58] <Murray> .users
[13/01 - 00:58] <Marathon> no
[13/01 - 00:58] <mp00> people were supposed to PMs hops but some are probably away
[13/01 - 00:58] <guardian> lol, I totally forgot what I want to say, that was like 30 minutes ago lol
[13/01 - 00:58] <Marathon> what mp00 said
[13/01 - 00:58] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> poor guard
[13/01 - 00:58] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> short retention span
[13/01 - 00:58] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> llo
[13/01 - 00:58] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> lol
[13/01 - 00:59] <Murray> how many people are in here?
[13/01 - 00:59] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> well all its late in uk
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[13/01 - 00:59] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i gotta scoot
[13/01 - 00:59] <mp00> id say about half are really here
[13/01 - 00:59] <Antioch-Bell{STB}> i hope i helped .. but who knows
[13/01 - 00:59] <mp00> of those several are warring so only partially attentive
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[13/01 - 00:59] <Murray> yup, I think we should plan on meeting again next saturday :)
[13/01 - 00:59] <Marathon> people read logs its good
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[13/01 - 01:00] <mp00> and we can always hope MB will read, edit out ideas, and post on his site ;)
[13/01 - 01:00] <Murray> How many people are in here?
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[13/01 - 01:00] <Tai> everyone was muted... were you relying on me and a hand full of ppl to fix everything?
[13/01 - 01:00] <Marathon> no tai
[13/01 - 01:00] <Marathon> see topic
[13/01 - 01:01] <Marathon> this was done to reduce talking over one another
[13/01 - 01:01] <Marathon> everyone had easy access if required
[13/01 - 01:01] <Lampy> listening to all this has been great for a noob like myself.definately do this again, its a window onto youre(our) world.
[13/01 - 01:01] <Tai> oh. sorry
[13/01 - 01:01] <Marathon> ;)
[13/01 - 01:01] <Murray> our world lol :)
[13/01 - 01:02] <mp00> and lampy rem most of us will help as much as we can :)
[13/01 - 01:02] <Tai> ...
[13/01 - 01:03] * Tai cuts off his hands
[13/01 - 01:03] <mp00> like warning you away from getting stuck in an elevator with Maghetti{NC}
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[13/01 - 01:03] * X3 sets mode: -v Tai
[13/01 - 01:03] <Murray> well I GTG so I hope to see everyone next saturday here, same time and same place :) Thanks all for your ideas and I hope to hear more :)
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[13/01 - 01:04] <mp00> actually would be good to vary the time a bit so other time zones have better chances to get on
[13/01 - 01:04] <Marathon> oh one last thing - seems to be some committed peeps here - anyone else wanna kinda be a part of the group that puts these mtgs together btw?
[13/01 - 01:04] <mp00> or have some others run seperate meeting altogether
[13/01 - 01:05] <Marathon> k ill take that as a no
[13/01 - 01:05] <Marathon> contact us if you change your mind
[13/01 - 01:05] <Marathon> :p
[13/01 - 01:05] <mp00> yeah, many have ideas but few willing to work lol
[13/01 - 01:06] * Murray is now known as Murray_AFK
[13/01 - 01:06] <Marathon> as murray said, good discussion watch pubmail/forums for updates
[13/01 - 01:06] <mp00> yup
[13/01 - 01:07] * Marathon is now known as mara_zzz
[13/01 - 01:08] * OverAndOverItGoes (jkl_asjdfs@resnet-244-28.resnet.UMBC.EDU) Quit (Quit)
[13/01 - 01:08] <mp00> and rem any new people feel free to ask any questions. almost no question is stupid or lame for any of us who have been around long since weve probably asked the same thing at least twice
[13/01 - 01:09] <Tai> ive got a TA with a newb
[13/01 - 01:10] <Tai> so i can help them
[13/01 - 01:10] <Tai> when ever
[13/01 - 01:10] <mp00> good :)
[13/01 - 01:10] <Tai> they tried to send me a DC but you know how i dont trust ppl...
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[13/01 - 01:10] <Azchon> Shadow
[13/01 - 01:10] <Azchon> Yoy missed it
[13/01 - 01:10] <Azchon> You missed it*
[13/01 - 01:11] <mp00> hehe Tai
[13/01 - 01:11] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> Damn...been sick, i splet right thru my aparm
[13/01 - 01:11] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> *alarm
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Ah.
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Shadow
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> I can paste a copy for you
[13/01 - 01:11] <Tai> lol@ mp00.
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> If fi can figure out how to log it
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> :D
[13/01 - 01:11] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> Matt going to paste a log?
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Uh.
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Dunno.
[13/01 - 01:11] <Tai> hes been afk
[13/01 - 01:11] <Tai> .up
[13/01 - 01:11] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> good attendance anyhow...
[13/01 - 01:11] <ShadowMasterCM_afk> was it a decent discussion
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> It went well
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Yeah
[13/01 - 01:11] <Azchon> Mostly
[13/01 - 01:12] <Azchon> Some rough in the beginning
[13/01 - 01:12] <Azchon> Then matt muted everyone and just posted PMed ideas
[13/01 - 01:12] <Azchon> And it went much more smoothly
[13/01 - 01:12] <Tai> well as for MB and shadow
[13/01 - 01:12] <mara_zzz> im sure we can get you a log or something shadow
[13/01 - 01:13] <Tai> they main point here from the begining that was NEVER disscussed, dont talk bad about the game or bash others in pub mail and nev chat
[13/01 - 01:13] <mara_zzz> true tai
[13/01 - 01:13] <mara_zzz> we will have to revisit that
[13/01 - 01:13] <mara_zzz> that was the actual aim of the discussion
[13/01 - 01:13] <Azchon> Well, it looks like we will be doing this again
[13/01 - 01:13] <Azchon> Alot of these people are probably just here for the logs.
[13/01 - 01:13] <Tai> we were talking about helping newbs the whole time, while i was saying noone can be trusted. pretty much sums it up
[13/01 - 01:14] <mp00> meetins almost never talk about what they usualy called for
[13/01 - 01:14] <mara_zzz> perhaps other issues seemed more pressing to th eplayerbase today
[13/01 - 01:14] <mp00> thats why they end up moderated
[13/01 - 01:14] <Azchon> Yeah
[13/01 - 01:14] <Azchon> I think the noob thing is kinda horrifying, especially being one.
[13/01 - 01:14] <Azchon> IM just a particularly adamant at surviving one.
[13/01 - 01:15] <mp00> you need that for nev :)
[13/01 - 01:15] <Azchon> Which is bad.
[13/01 - 01:15] <Azchon> Atleast as far as noobs go
[13/01 - 01:15] <Azchon> The first 3 levels should be easy THEN it should be hell.
[13/01 - 01:15] <mp00> yeah, we hopefuly can do something to change that
[13/01 - 01:16] <mp00> used to alot harder too
[13/01 - 01:16] <Tai> do you know how slow it is to start from scratch
[13/01 - 01:16] <mp00> long ago any level could attack each other
[13/01 - 01:16] <mp00> so a 12 could hit a 1
[13/01 - 01:16] <Tai> most that do know how to play needs 3-6 months just to get to lvl 3 properly. war worthy
[13/01 - 01:16] <Azchon> I remember it.
[13/01 - 01:16] <mp00> well couldnt be hit at 0
[13/01 - 01:17] <Azchon> I quit about.. 3 years ago?
[13/01 - 01:17] <Azchon> No...
[13/01 - 01:17] <Azchon> 4?
[13/01 - 01:17] <Azchon> It was my sophomore year in high school, and i got eaten alive by someone
[13/01 - 01:17] <Azchon> When i was out for 3 days
[13/01 - 01:18] <mp00> happens alot on nev always has
[13/01 - 01:19] <Tai> and thats if your not attacked.
[13/01 - 01:19] <Tai> with fl funding
[13/01 - 01:23] <Tai> i would know how to tell you how to play like a newb now, even if i tryed.
[13/01 - 01:23] <Tai> wouldnt*
[13/01 - 01:24] <mp00> hehe
[13/01 - 01:24] <Tai> now the meeting is over and all the muted ppl didnt get a chance.
[13/01 - 01:24] * Tai shakes his head
[13/01 - 01:24] <Azchon> We can try again next week
[13/01 - 01:24] <Azchon> See if we can get farther.
[13/01 - 01:24] * mp00 drops +++++++++s on Tai
[13/01 - 01:24] <mp00> something to take the extra negativity out of you ;P
[13/01 - 01:25] <Tai> i was voiced but i un voiced myself
[13/01 - 01:25] <mp00> i know
[13/01 - 01:25] <mp00> just bugging ya
[13/01 - 01:25] * mp00 throws small explosive hamsters at Tai
[13/01 - 01:26] <Tai> i wasnt allways this negative like this it came with many nev experiences.
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[13/01 - 01:27] <mp00> ask mags if im negative
[13/01 - 01:27] <mp00> nevs made me the same i just drink most of it away hehe
[13/01 - 01:28] <mp00> but gtg folks laters
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